SWP expulsions and squabbles

[Nigel Irritable]

So the ISG would seem to have far less qualms about adopting the identity politics critique of leninism than Counterfire

http://internationalsocialist.org.uk/index.php/2013/01/comment-on-the-swp-crisis-sexism-the-left/

That's not a pitch to an organised opposition. It's a pitch to individual stragglers with a more feminist bent.

 

[Red Cat]

Haha thats more like it! But you'd miss me if I left and vice versa.

So thinking you're a cunt on here goes way back bb? If only I'd known!

 

[Red Cat]

Too right. Could be worse, we could be having to sit in branch meetings tonight trying to make sense of it all and find an answer that doesn't mean spitting on people you have respect for, whatever you decide to do!

Indeed. I know a lot of members who will have great difficulty believing that a certain member of the DC behaved dishonourably. I'm having real problems with that.

 

[barney_pig]

I am a little confused, are the isg the same former swpers who boasted of lying for tommy and denigrated the 'shrill feminists' of the ssp? Or were they different swpers?

 

[manny-p]

I must admit as much as he defends the indefensible I think Bolshibhoy is a nice guy who means well and is on the right side

He's in the fucking labour party.

 

[articul8]

So?

 

[manny-p]

So?

Hardly revolutionary.

 

[The39thStep]

Hardly revolutionary.

To be honest I an not sure that I am revolutionary

 

[frogwoman]

To be honest I an not sure that I am revolutionary

the workers bomb needs you though

 

[cesare]

To be honest I an not sure that I am revolutionary

I'm pretty sure that I can be revolting on the other hand.

 

[The39thStep]

I'm pretty sure that I can be revolting on the other hand.

There is a sense of dialectics between me and you

 

[DrRingDing]

http://www.counterfire.org/index.ph...list-workers-party-and-the-future-of-the-left

"Comrade Delta"

 

[Pickman's model]

He's in the fucking labour party.

i get the impression that, of all the fucking that goes on in the labour party, articul8 isn't getting any.

 

[SLK]

After a close textual analysis of The City and The City yes that's my conclusion! No course it's not. Dunno, never knew him at all and rarely seen him writepolitically so can't judge. Think I can see where he's headed now mind.

He was around HM before joining - never got involved with SWSS at LSE - even less than you.

 

[The39thStep]

http://www.counterfire.org/index.ph...list-workers-party-and-the-future-of-the-left

"Comrade Delta"

another group talking about the IS tradition. The IS tradition is worth some reevaluation as it means anything to anyone

How is organising the Firebox staff btw

 

[imposs1904]

http://www.counterfire.org/index.ph...list-workers-party-and-the-future-of-the-left

"Comrade Delta"

I like one of the comments on F/B about the Counterfire statement:

Executive summary: everything was fine and dandy when JR and Sue Ellen ruled the roost, but then there was the "retreat from the movement". Avanti! Back to the future! Not a line of self-criticism or reflexivity. Pitiful.

I think I prefer that to the previous references to Rees and German as Lord and Lady MacBeth.

 

[butchersapron]

http://www.counterfire.org/index.ph...list-workers-party-and-the-future-of-the-left

"Comrade Delta"

Eh? Is this the first that you've heard of this?

 

[butchersapron]

I like one of the comments on F/B about the Counterfire statement:



I think I prefer that to the previous references to Rees and German as Lord and Lady MacBeth.

For 37 years it was all dandy, then somehow the next, it wasn't.

 

[cesare]

There is a sense of dialectics between me and you

You say Hegel, I say haggle ...

 

[Red Cat]

For 37 years it was all dandy, then somehow the next, it wasn't.

Another moment.

 

[butchersapron]

Another moment.

Indeed, and german pretty much said exactly that the other day. I've not yet read the long counterfire piece but i can sense lots of moments there too.

 

[Pickman's model]

Indeed, and german pretty much said exactly that the other day. I've not yet read the long counterfire piece but i can sense lots of moments there too.

i don't think anyone has read the long counterfire piece

 

[Pickman's model]

You say Hegel, I say haggle ...

and you say bagel and i say baggle

 

[Red Cat]

I like one of the comments on F/B about the Counterfire statement:

Executive summary: everything was fine and dandy when JR and Sue Ellen ruled the roost, but then there was the "retreat from the movement". Avanti! Back to the future! Not a line of self-criticism or reflexivity. Pitiful

I haven't read it all but I can't imagine any former members of the CC having argued for people outside the party to assist with this case; I just can't imagine them handling this any differently because the only appropriate response was that.

ETA: Not that I'm in a position to suggest who they would be. I still don't think there were easy solutions even if there must have been a better one.

 

[bolshiebhoy]

Hardly revolutionary.

You been to Wiltshire?

 

[DrRingDing]

i don't think anyone has read the long counterfire piece

You're not missing out on much....apart from the phrase "permanent factional paroxysm".

 

[bolshiebhoy]

I quite enjoyed it. Never have understood eaxctly what Counterfire's analysis was. Plenty to think about in it.

 

[barney_pig]

Harrys place have found that comrade delta has the support of altzmon, apparently all a Jewish plot!

 

[belboid]

Harrys place have found that comrade delta has the support of altzmon, apparently all a Jewish plot!

Jesus, I thought you might be joking, but no.....

I suppose Delta made a bit of money for Atzmon through his jazz promotions

 

[manny-p]

You been to Wiltshire?

No.