Karmickameleon
Too long in exile
This is bizarre. Particularly given that her partner detailed the whole sorry scandal on his webpage:
The SWP crisis: accounts and resources | Jim Jepps
SWP expulsions and squabbles
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The SWP crisis: accounts and resources | Jim Jepps
Plumdaff
joy in people
Is she speaking too? She prides herself on heading Green Women. Rings a little hollow.
If you mix green paint and red paint you get a muddy brown colour. If you do it with light you get yellow.
Karmickameleon
Too long in exile
Perhaps I heard the same thing. Tosh as you say. But - as far as I can see - Blackledge doesn't appear to be speaking at Marxism this year....
ViolentPanda
Hardly getting over it.
Biscuits are a bourgeois affectation, and you've just earned yourself expulsion from the vanguard, comrade!
ViolentPanda
Hardly getting over it.
Well that's just it - you don't hear anything. It's basically considered infra dig to mention the whole farrago.
ViolentPanda
Hardly getting over it.
30-odd years of Swappie-watching - after being a member - means that not only can I believe that they'd be stupid enough, but history tell us they have been stupid enough, repeatedly, although perhaps not quite on the "Comrade Delta" scale.
ViolentPanda
Hardly getting over it.
What about those of us who keep in contact with their old SWP muckers, and with younger, newer members, but share killer b 's analysis? Will you find a reason to brush off our analyses too?
Nigel Irritable
Five, Ten, Fifteen Years
I've seen no evidence that the British SWP is recruiting and retaining more than a trickle of young people. They still look to be ageing and shrinking, but now at the glacial pace that groups with a committed membership but a radically unfavourable age profile tend to.
19force8
For the avoidance of faith
First let me say I didn't intend to brush off anyone's analysis, though I can see how it might be read that way. My own analysis last night [that they wouldn't be so crass] was no more valid - being based on an assessment of a fairly limited sample of two old friends in the SWP and members known to me locally.
So I told one of those old friends Dave Renton was saying new members were being told Martin Smith had been vindicated and the crisis was all the fault of sectarians splitting the party. Shorn of insults her response was that Renton had lost touch with reality, and she wouldn't want to be in the same party as someone stupid enough to buy such a crock of shit.
In her district, she said, new members are given an outline of what happened and told if they have any questions or concerns they can raise them within the branch. In essence she said denial wasn't even an option when a simple google search would bring the whole sorry mess to light.
Maybe she's the odd one out, I don't know. What about your muckers?
discokermit
Well-Known Member
i think your friend has lost touch with reality.
and the swp is full of people stupid enough to buy such a crock of shit, and worse, as long as the right person tells them to.
and the swp is full of people stupid enough to buy such a crock of shit, and worse, as long as the right person tells them to.
Nigel
For A Degenerates' Workers State
Surprised that this thread has withered and halted !
Surely with some of the antics and less than successful outcomes of mobilisations of SWP and their front organsations !
E.g Stand Up To Racism's failure to directly take Aid in convoy to migrants & refugees @ The Jungle Calais: having to hand aid over to other agencies etc.
Aid convoy to Calais turned back - International Viewpoint - online socialist magazine
Surely with some of the antics and less than successful outcomes of mobilisations of SWP and their front organsations !
E.g Stand Up To Racism's failure to directly take Aid in convoy to migrants & refugees @ The Jungle Calais: having to hand aid over to other agencies etc.
Aid convoy to Calais turned back - International Viewpoint - online socialist magazine
SpackleFrog
Smash showy bell-bottom pants and sporty haircuts
That wasn't a failure. They raised loads of money which never got to its intended destination. Major success for the CC I reckon.
belboid
Exasperated, not angry.
Well that is completely untrue isn't it? But don't let facts get in the way of a sectarian smear.
There were lots of issues with the convoy, it was dishonestly and incompetently organised, but raised a fair amount of aid (all of which did get through eventually) and made a national news story. Not really a complete failure.
Nigel
For A Degenerates' Workers State
If that's success.........
Would have been better to go through CalAid or similar which is how most of the aid got through apparently than failed stunt such as this.
There appears apart from online group to be no contact with indigenous people in and around 'The Jungle' creating almost propaganda victory with many locals becoming sympathetic to, without filling vacuum rightist xenophobic political groups and elements ! The patronising way this project operated; parachuting in without even attempting to build a base in the area was not only counter productive but also unstrategically opportunistic !
e.g. recent haulage go slow protest backed by Calais FN Mayor Natacha Bouchart !
Calais Migrant Solidarity
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Nigel
For A Degenerates' Workers State
So dishonesty, incompetence & raw opportunism aren't counterproductive when exercising a project such as this and doesn't just play into the hands of opposition ?
The fact that they made no attempt to contact local community groups, left organisations trade unions e.g CGT, where right xenophobic tendencies have been allowed to dominate without opposition shows the nature of what this isolated stunt was all about !
French unions join far-right movement against refugees in Calais - World Socialist Web Site
Nigel
For A Degenerates' Workers State
That's a bit sectarian !
Although tend to sympathise with you over their take on Libya & Syria !
However what they are saying bout CGT appears to be true, although their must be strong elements tendencies & blocks within CGT and beyond that left in general, within the PS and NPA, not to mention Trot sects such as Lutte Ouvrière those critical of André Victor, elements of LCR that chose not to go into NPA, maybe Anarchist groups for instance Orlean etc.
Grass root trade unionist within CGT appear to be sympathetic and actively work/ing with migrants and refugees i.e Sans Papiers !
https://www.ilr.cornell.edu/sites/ilr.cornell.edu/files/Quintin_CGTSansPapiersCase.pdf
Nigel
For A Degenerates' Workers State
SpackleFrog
Smash showy bell-bottom pants and sporty haircuts
How do you know?
Look, all I know is that the swops in Sheffield were asking for money rather than goods, which is a bit unusual. And I don't know how much money they raised or whether it all got through. What do you know?
It's not like the swops don't have form for raising money for 'broad left' campaigns and pocketing a bit.
SpackleFrog
Smash showy bell-bottom pants and sporty haircuts
'All I know...' - so you admit you were lying before then, when you claimed that it had not (not that it might have not) got to its destination. Perhaps you're getting confused by how the old Militant used to split their collections.
Socialist Worker says some of the aid got through, not much: Fury as police and governments block aid convoy to Calais
My original comment was in reply to a poster who linked to this article saying that the aid goods were prevented from being delivered: Aid convoy to Calais turned back - International Viewpoint - online socialist magazine
You say:
I'm going off the evidence I know about, which says not all the aid got through. You say you know it all got through. Fine. Show us your evidence and I'll happily admit I'm wrong.
General Veers
Active Member
Who's he?
Dom Traynor
Tino Pai
He's you
General Veers
Active Member
Really? I never knew I was someone else. I'm still none the wiser although your reply is one of the most bizarre I've seen in a long time.
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