SWP expulsions and squabbles

[Nigel Irritable]

This is too stupid to waste time on. I wish you luck in your empty Labour branch and in your canvassing for Blairites.

 

[Kalfindin]

This is too stupid to waste time on. I wish you luck in your empty Labour branch and in your canvassing for Blairites.

In other words you have no alternative, bye, bye.

 

[J Ed]

That's me told, time for me to climb back into my ivory tower of barely making enough money for food and rent. I'll be sure to vote for my local Progress-endorsed candidate next time round so that Rachel Reeves can ensure that the profits made on making the lives of the disabled and unemployed hell can go to British 'SMEs'.

To be totally honest I prefer SWP hacks to Labour left hacks, the former defend a couple of alleged rapists whereas the Labour left provide cover for decades of much worse behaviour on an unimaginably larger scale.

 

[J Ed]

Still waiting for you guys alternative ?

Have you heard the Good News about the Workers' Bomb?

 

[Doctor Carrot]

Labour the only party that has represented bought off the working class in any significant way.

Fixed it for you.

 

[Kalfindin]

Fixed it for you.

I take pragmatism over idealism any day. Your alternative is nothing.

 

[DotCommunist]

with no illusions eh

 

[Doctor Carrot]

I take pragmatism over idealism any day. Your alternative is nothing.

Do give us a shout when this working class 'reclamation' happens won't you?

 

[Kalfindin]

with no illusions eh

Half a loaf is better then none, half a loaf sustains for the future, none leaves you with nothing.

Do give us a shout when this working class 'reclamation' happens won't you?

How can it happen when this country is full of smug know it all types like yourself, who work against the only vehicle the working class have of ever potentially representing them.

 

[Limerick Red]

Maybe you need to read some social history, who do you think brought in everything from the NHS to the welfare state ? Political utopians like yourself are as big an enemy to the working class as Tories.

How was this paid for after the war, it was paid for by the working class of the empire, as Bevin said "I am not prepared to sacrifice the empire, because I know if the empire fell it would mean the standard for our constituents would fall considerably"
2 world wars fought for the rites of small countries , but the working class in Greece were still left to be fucked over with Bevin arguing again for the smashing of the ELAS, Vietnam, Indonesia, its plundering of rubber and tin in Malay, the list of labour crimes is endless and every bit as bad as the tories, sending the army into Ireland, fuck we could be here all day.

 

[Doctor Carrot]

How can it happen when this country is full of smug know it all types like yourself, who work against the only vehicle the working class have of ever potentially representing them.

You used the word 'potentially' so even you know on some unconscious level that you're talking out of your arse.

 

[Plumdaff]

If only the smug know it alls and ivory tower irrelevances would join up Labour could be "reclaimed"!

Those smug bastards

 

[Kalfindin]

How was this paid for after the war, it was paid for by the working class of the empire, as Bevin said "I am not prepared to sacrifice the empire, because I know if the empire fell it would mean the standard for our constituents would fall considerably"
2 world wars fought for the rites of small countries , but the working class in Greece were still left to be fucked over with Bevin arguing again for the smashing of the ELAS, Vietnam, Indonesia, its plundering of rubber and tin in Malay, the list of labour crimes is endless and every bit as bad as the tories, sending the army into Ireland, fuck we could be here all day.

So your logic says, working class people should not take back labour cause it failed in the past ? Even though its the only possible route.

 

[Kalfindin]

If only the smug no it alls and ivory tower irrelevances would join up Labour could be "reclaimed"!

If everyone had your attitude we would have a permanent Tory govt.

 

[Limerick Red]

So your logic says, working class people should not take back labour cause it failed in the past ? Even though its the only possible route.

Isnt that one of the signs of madness? doing the same thing over and over but expecting different results, Thats the second sign of madness, the first is Suggs walking down the road of course

 

[Kalfindin]

You used the word 'potentially' so even you know on some unconscious level that you're talking out of your arse.

Im still waiting for the alternative ?

 

[Kalfindin]

Isnt that one of the signs of madness? doing the same thing over and over but expecting different results, Thats the second sign of madness, the first is Suggs walking down the road of course

Where did I say the past should be repeated ?

 

[J Ed]

Im still waiting for the alternative ?

Any alternative that puts Blairites in the highest positions of power in this country instead of in prison is not an alternative.

 

[Plumdaff]

If everyone had your attitude we would have a permanent Tory govt.

Of course if everyone had your attitude we could have the full communism of Milliband NOW. Yippee.

 

[Kalfindin]

Any alternative that puts Blairites in the highest positions of power in this country instead of in prison is not an alternative.

It is to the thousands who killed themselves cause the Tories stopped their benefits.

that's the real world.

 

[J Ed]

It is to the thousands who killed themselves cause the Tories stopped their benefits.

LABOUR HAVE PROMISED TO DO EXACTLY THE SAME THING, THEY WON'T EVEN LIE AND PROMISE THEY WON'T

Jesus

Are you even a person or are you some sort of not very complex labour left spambot?

 

[Doctor Carrot]

Im still waiting for the alternative ?

 

[Limerick Red]

It is to the thousands who killed themselves cause the Tories stopped their benefits.

So which of these cuts have labour said they will be receeding?, with the exception of the bedroom tax, which is carrot, the rest is the same stick as the Condems

 

[Kalfindin]

Of course if everyone had your attitude we could have the full communism of Milliband NOW. Yippee.

LABOUR HAVE PROMISED TO DO EXACTLY THE SAME THING, THEY WON'T EVEN LIE AND PROMISE THEY WON'T

Jesus

Are you even a person or are you some sort of not very complex labour left spambot?

You obviously have no experience of poverty etc,or the Tory/Labour differences, you can pretend you do, but your attitude shows you don't.

 

[Doctor Carrot]

It is to the thousands who killed themselves cause the Tories stopped their benefits.

that's the real world.

You mean the stopping of benefits that Labour will continue under the ESA system Labour themselves brought in? Yeah sounds great sign me up!

 

[Kalfindin]

This is an immature fantasy, the real worlds more challenging.

 

[comrade spurski]

If everyone had your attitude we would have a permanent Tory govt.

As some who has been a council worker since 1988 the last labour government might as well have been tories...my pay was cut, my pension slashed and the services where I lived were hacked to shit.
reclaim the labour party?
seriously...? and your only reason why is "what's the alternative?"
The Labour party has gone been continuously moving rightwards since the 1960's ... thats 50 years ... what makes you think it'll get better now?
My hopes lay with strikes and activists rebuilding the unions ... may not happen but I can see how the unions can be built from below unlike the labour party

 

[Doctor Carrot]

This is an immature fantasy, the real worlds more challenging.

Indeed, you should try engaging in it some time.

 

[Kalfindin]

You mean the stopping of benefits that Labour will continue under the ESA system Labour themselves brought in? Yeah sounds great sign me up!

So you are claiming the benefit system was no different under Labour and the Tories ?

You are not living in the real world.

 

[Kalfindin]

Indeed, you should try engaging in it some time.

Im trying to bring you guys into it, out of your political wank fantasies