SWP expulsions and squabbles

[SpackleFrog]

The thing about the Weekly Worker these days is that instead of basing stories on leaked emails or minutes of meetings, they just write about Facebook conversations. What was previously a bit strange but sort of a guilty pleasure to read about is now really just stalking people.

 

[bolshiebhoy]

Your worldview is worthy of a psychiatric research team. In your mind, you really think Cliff is some kind of world renowned theoretical leader who will one day be revered by all as a sort of Jesus-like figure, don't you?

No on this subject my money is on German and Harman, Cliff was hardly the main writer of the tradition on this subject. I'd lay odds not more than ten percent of the ISO or ISN have ever read Sex, Class and Socialism. But they know the cliff school needs Vogel. Because? Because 80's Cliffites never wrote anything about social reproduction theory. It's the ignorance of these people that offends most. They don't even feel the need to read this stuff cause Sharon Smith told them Cliff told a sexist joke once.

 

[DaveCinzano]

has anyone posted this yet in relation to the ISN split?



Son, I am Magpie, I only went with Seymour because he's dirty

“He/she/they/ze's gonna step up-step back on you agaaa-in...”

 

[SpackleFrog]

No on this subject my money is on German and Harman, Cliff was hardly the main writer of the tradition on this subject. I'd lay odds not more than ten percent of the ISO or ISN have ever read Sex, Class and Socialism. But they know the cliff school needs Vogel. Because? Because 80's Cliffites never wrote anything about social reproduction theory. It's the ignorance of these people that offends most. They don't even feel the need to read this stuff cause Sharon Smith told them Cliff told a sexist joke once.

Argh. What's wrong with you?

 

[barney_pig]

No on this subject my money is on German and Harman, Cliff was hardly the main writer of the tradition on this subject. I'd lay odds not more than ten percent of the ISO or ISN have ever read Sex, Class and Socialism. But they know the cliff school needs Vogel. Because? Because 80's Cliffites never wrote anything about social reproduction theory. It's the ignorance of these people that offends most. They don't even feel the need to read this stuff cause Sharon Smith told them Cliff told a sexist joke once.

 

[belboid]

No on this subject my money is on German and Harman, Cliff was hardly the main writer of the tradition on this subject. I'd lay odds not more than ten percent of the ISO or ISN have ever read Sex, Class and Socialism. But they know the cliff school needs Vogel. Because? Because 80's Cliffites never wrote anything about social reproduction theory. It's the ignorance of these people that offends most. They don't even feel the need to read this stuff cause Sharon Smith told them Cliff told a sexist joke once.

gobbledygook

 

[Mustn't grumble]

. . . Facebook conversations . . .

Speaking of which . . .

This is from a FB convo, posted on a website today, that involved a leader of the Amerikan ISO, Keeanga, passing on some friendly advice to a fellow ISO member, so I guess that makes her a comrade, political sisters:
"Don't start none, won't be done . . . let the doorknob hit you where the good Lord split you"
http://externalbulletin.wordpress.c...rom-the-international-socialist-organization/ (screenshot kindly provided; emphasis added, original ellipsis - wouldn't want to be accused of embellishing; this is the site of the ISO's Renewal Faction )

This is Keeanga-Yamahtta Taylor in more full flow, this time on the homepage of the site where ISO post their vids & audios. No sight of a doorknob, though:
http://wearemany.org/

Keeanga-Yamahtta Taylor was (is?) lauded by some in the ISN for her views on feminism (sic), sexism (sic), racism, privilege theory, identity politics, & intersectionality.

Within half-an-hour of this FB abuse Vanessa B found herself no longer in the ISO - courtesy of . . . K-Y:
"Within half an hour of the November 12 exchange, Vanessa received a message from Tristan B of the DC Branch Committee informing her that she was no longer a member in good standing per an email from . . . Keeanga"
http://externalbulletin.wordpress.com/2013/11/26/in-defense-of-our-comrades/

Vanessa B's account of her substantive expulsion from the ISO shows how appallingly she was treated. For those who think politics is more than what one says & does, Vanessa who joined the ISO in 2008, is a black woman with multiple chronic illnesses surviving on benefit that she says is "below poverty-level".

It's a million miles away from the flash online presence of the ISO, the wearemany website, Haymarket Books, Socialist Worker, & the re-launched International Socialist Review.

The ISO certainly has a case to answer. But it will no doubt march on regardless.

 

[SLK]

I don't really follow that, but I think it says that someone in the ISO who is in a leadership position expels people that disagree with him/ her.

 

[belboid]

Renewal Faction is expelled - http://externalbulletin.wordpress.com/2014/02/17/we-are-expelled/

 

[SpackleFrog]

Renewal Faction is expelled - http://externalbulletin.wordpress.com/2014/02/17/we-are-expelled/

Good! Fookin' Splitters!

 

[Pickman's model]

Renewal Faction is expelled - http://externalbulletin.wordpress.com/2014/02/17/we-are-expelled/

they say a longer statement will be posted. but they've got the important information across already.

 

[leyton96]

Interesting developments at UAF Limited. The London Gazette which is the London arm of Companies House has issued a strike off order against the company.
http://companycheck.co.uk/company/06386924/x/companies-house-docs?latest=true

Normally strike off orders are issued when a company hasn't filed their returns with Companies House.
Sure enough the Annual Accounts are way over due, the last accounts being filed on 31st October 2012.
Now it could just be that the officers at UAF are a bit lazy about filing returns. However a strike off notice is usually a sign that a company is circling the drain.

 

[Pickman's model]

Interesting developments at UAF Limited. The London Gazette which is the London arm of Companies House has issued a strike off order against the company.
http://companycheck.co.uk/company/06386924/x/companies-house-docs?latest=true

Normally strike off orders are issued when a company hasn't filed their returns with Companies House.
Sure enough the Annual Accounts are way over due, the last accounts being filed on 31st October 2012.
Now it could just be that the officers at UAF are a bit lazy about filing returns. However a strike off notice is usually a sign that a company is circling the drain.

the coriolis protocol

 

[SpackleFrog]

Interesting developments at UAF Limited. The London Gazette which is the London arm of Companies House has issued a strike off order against the company.
http://companycheck.co.uk/company/06386924/x/companies-house-docs?latest=true

Normally strike off orders are issued when a company hasn't filed their returns with Companies House.
Sure enough the Annual Accounts are way over due, the last accounts being filed on 31st October 2012.
Now it could just be that the officers at UAF are a bit lazy about filing returns. However a strike off notice is usually a sign that a company is circling the drain.

Oh dear, how sad, never mind. Does this mean I never have to hear Weyman Fucking Bennett again?

 

[leyton96]

Oh dear, how sad, never mind. Does this mean I never have to hear Weyman Fucking Bennett again?

As you should know very well Weyman is a very experienced waffler who is prepared to waffle anytime, anywhere, any place. He won't let Companies House get in the way of his important duty to tell everyone how anti-fascism is done properly and effectively.

 

[belboid]

Interesting developments at UAF Limited. The London Gazette which is the London arm of Companies House has issued a strike off order against the company.
http://companycheck.co.uk/company/06386924/x/companies-house-docs?latest=true

Normally strike off orders are issued when a company hasn't filed their returns with Companies House.
Sure enough the Annual Accounts are way over due, the last accounts being filed on 31st October 2012.
Now it could just be that the officers at UAF are a bit lazy about filing returns. However a strike off notice is usually a sign that a company is circling the drain.

you sure that's the right UAF? I've never heard of any of the directors, and the lead one, Marcus Weedon, mostly seems to work in film. Oh, and they seem to have applied to be struck off.

 

[Mustn't grumble]

the coriolis protocol

As investigated by Dr BS of the International Drainage Commission, Springfield:

 

[Mustn't grumble]

you sure that's the right UAF?

The UAF, if they had created a company, would do it by guarantee, not the share capital of the company mentioned.
http://companycheck.co.uk/company/06386924/x/companies-house-docs?latest=true

In fact the UAF Ltd. at that registered addy is an engineering practice:
http://www.192.com/atoz/business/lo...6ab985dd7db952bfb1b514afc26d309ef75c8da/comp/

But it doesn't mean that Weyman doesn't work for them - in fact he has been known to engineer things quite a lot.

 

[belboid]

http://www.192.com/atoz/business/lo...6ab985dd7db952bfb1b514afc26d309ef75c8da/comp/

mm, still a bit odd, as the lead director works (as mentioned) in film, and the others ran Sankeys. Still, no loss, either way.

 

[leyton96]

As investigated by Dr BS of the International Drainage Commission, Springfield:

D'oh

As investigated by Dr BS of the International Drainage Commission, Springfield:

D'oh!

 

[SpineyNorman]

So have Weyman's warriors been struck off or not?

 

[Ross Wolfe]

Speaking of the controversy in the International Socialist Organization, I recently decided to reverse my redaction of the leaked members-only Preconvention Bulletins. They are now once again available for download. Along with some info on the smears they've been running against the Renewal Faction, members of other socialist organizations, and myself.

Moreover, an alternative account of the "Comrade Daniel" situation was forwarded to me for publication. It was written by someone who isn't a member of the ISO but was nevertheless involved in trying to get the organization to take respond to allegations of attempted rape. The case of "Comrade Daniel."

 

[SpackleFrog]

Speaking of the controversy in the International Socialist Organization, I recently decided to reverse my redaction of the leaked members-only Preconvention Bulletins. They are now once again available for download. Along with some info on the smears they've been running against the Renewal Faction, members of other socialist organizations, and myself.

Moreover, an alternative account of the "Comrade Daniel" situation was forwarded to me for publication. It was written by someone who isn't a member of the ISO but was nevertheless involved in trying to get the organization to take respond to allegations of attempted rape. The case of "Comrade Daniel."

Oh, fucking hell, not another one...

 

[frogwoman]

The London campaign against police and state violence is holding a 'know your rights training with the Islamic high commission'

 

[frogwoman]

https://www.facebook.com/events/584534064968563/?fref=tsts

 

[Mustn't grumble]

I just posted this on the Ukraine thread as it was there I learnt of the site in question:


Informative article, J Ed, thanx.

Just an aside, something I'm surprised hasn't already been noted. This site was new to me so I had a lil look. It seems to have started 23 Jan:
http://www.dreamdeferred.org.uk/2014/01/our-new-website/ (cute pic with caption: "Polar bears watch telly. Source unknown")

I went to the 'About'. It talks a lil about "the explosion", "the experience of life", & having to be "patient":
"We have titled our blog Dream Deferred as a homage to Langston [Hughes] and also in the hope that the 'explosion' will come one day soon. The struggle for socialism gives us nourishment, but at the same time the experience of life means we have had to be patient too."
So sensible. Can these be contemporary socialists, activists as they say these days?

It continues:
"Over the past 30 years both of us have been involved in one way or another with the struggle against racism and fascism" . . . yes . . . & then a lil levity:
"We will also write about other political and cultural matters. If you don’t like football, you should look away from posts about West Ham or Spurs!"
Hilário!
http://www.dreamdeferred.org.uk/about/

And we get an article on "the relationship between jazz and revolutionary black nationalism":
http://www.dreamdeferred.org.uk/2014/01/amiri-baraka-soul-and-madness-3/

And one entitled, 'Tracks of the Month: January 2014':
http://www.dreamdeferred.org.uk/2014/01/january-2014-2/

The 'About' ends with an invitation:
"Please feel free to join the debate by posting comments. We welcome serious comments and discussion — whether you agree or disagree.

We hope you enjoy the site.

Martin Smith and Tash Shifrin"

Any takers?

Just saying.




http://www.socialistreview.org.uk/issue.php?issue=381 (June 2013 contents)




We dream, we dream.

From deflected permanent revolution to deferred dreams.

How things could have been . . .




(Mr Hughes reading his own poem, 'Dream Deferred')

 

[articul8]

Probably the appropriate thread to put this (as its's been referred to earlier), after Bruce Wallace's suspension, the SP(EW)/CWI has now suspended Steve Dobbs:
http://socialismiscrucial.wordpress.com/2014/02/21/steve-dobbs-suspended-from-socialist-partycwi/

 

[leyton96]

Probably the appropriate thread to put this (as its's been referred to earlier), after Bruce Wallace's suspension, the SP(EW)/CWI has now suspended Steve Dobbs:
http://socialismiscrucial.wordpress.com/2014/02/21/steve-dobbs-suspended-from-socialist-partycwi/

I don't think Steve really understands what actually happened, which is unusual seen as he fancies himself as a bit of a procedural expert.
He's right that a branch can't suspend a member, which is why the branch passed a motion calling on the NC/EC to suspend. This has been coming for a while ever since it came out that he had secretly recorded a branch meeting and then stuck it up on the internet. OK they weren't discussing the movement of weapons for a planned uprising or anything life or death, but it is dead creepy to go around secretly recording stuff. In a voluntary organization you can't have any trust in someone as underhanded as that. I can't think of any union branch that would tolerate similar behavior.

 

[articul8]

I'd accept that - whatever the rights and wrongs of their critique (I'd sympathise with their annoyance at Peter T's dismissal of Lih, and would want to look further at the LTRPF) - there are some basic protocols of being in a political organisation that need to be respected. That said, their frustrations are understandable given the leaderships attempts to load the dice when it comes to political debates that might see their authority challenged.

 

[Dobbo2k]

I don't think Steve really understands what actually happened, which is unusual seen as he fancies himself as a bit of a procedural expert.
He's right that a branch can't suspend a member, which is why the branch passed a motion calling on the NC/EC to suspend. This has been coming for a while ever since it came out that he had secretly recorded a branch meeting and then stuck it up on the internet. OK they weren't discussing the movement of weapons for a planned uprising or anything life or death, but it is dead creepy to go around secretly recording stuff. In a voluntary organization you can't have any trust in someone as underhanded as that. I can't think of any union branch that would tolerate similar behavior.

I see the Socialist Party EC propaganda machine has started already. This is a complete fabrication from "leyton96".

The motion did not "call on the NC/EC to suspend me". The motion read exactly like this:

"This branch believes that trust between Steve Dobbs and the branch has deteriorated to such a degree that he should be suspended from membership of the branch. This is due to his public attacks and accusations against the branch secretary, the branch, the leadership of the party, the CWI, his repeated failure to heed any requests from the branch to stop such attacks, and his secret recording of a branch meeting when members had clearly stated this should not happen without members’ consent."

No mention of referral to the EC/NC in that motion. The branch do not have the power to suspend me, so this was unconstitutional, not to mention that the comrades could not reproduce the rules I've meant to have broken, nor the Disciplinary Code that stated they could rush this through as an "emergency motion".

Regarding the "secret recording" of a meeting, it was actually a debate on the cause of capitalist crisis between myself and Lynn Walsh that I recorded for personal reference! There is nothing creepy or underhand about that. And I have NOT "stuck it up on the internet" - this is nonsense. Funny though that the Socialist Party seem quite ok with having a public session on the cause of capitalist crisis at Socialism 2013, where Peter Taaffe accused me of having a "fetish", and then put up an edited version of the video recording, minus the denunciation and contributions from the floor (including mine), on youtube here

It's sheer hypocrisy. The Socialist Party EC are afraid of genuine public debate because they know they would get crucified and shown up as completely wanting.