benedict
Well-Known Member
Thanks for the update mutley. What are the numbers looking like? Leavers and numbers of key members remaining in the fractions? What are they talking about in terms of what's next?
SWP expulsions and squabbles
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Thanks for the update mutley. What are the numbers looking like? Leavers and numbers of key members remaining in the fractions? What are they talking about in terms of what's next?
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
And remember, this is what people like bolshie are prepared to say in public. I shudder to think at what's going around in private.
KeeperofDragons
Crazy dragon lady
FFS BB step back a bit & reread your posts. It's this sort of thinking among the loyalists like you that have driven me from the party that I have over the years have worked hard for.
Balbi
Hey, Dean Yager!
Nah, it's full. Liverpool Hope University though...
Pulling people together in the localities as the immediate task, so people don't just vanish. I think some kind of meeting in the new year in the big smoke to talk thru the next step after that. There will be a statement on the revolutionary socialism blog in a day or two. Numbers? I'm not sure, people were saying 90 odd a day or two back but it could easily be double that by now. Of course, there are bound to be different strategies and arguments, because the immediate orientation of a new group isn't particularly obvious.
There are some big names staying too (ie former oppo's). The loyalists are saying 'the swp isn't collapsing'. That is true, but its gonna be a long dwindling twilight as they get older and grumpier.
There are some big names staying too (ie former oppo's). The loyalists are saying 'the swp isn't collapsing'. That is true, but its gonna be a long dwindling twilight as they get older and grumpier.
Nigel Irritable
Five, Ten, Fifteen Years
Like who?
bolshiebhoy
socialism leinster drink
No that's as bad as it gets I'd say but then I'm not really in the inner sanctum. All I know is I say on here what I say to anybody. Too tired for any other sort of bollox.
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bolshiebhoy
socialism leinster drink
Jeezus everything is a conspiracy. All I know is I love my personal history of fighting for a womans right to choose in Ireland, I love the part the swp has played in most of the major struggles in these islands in my lifetime. And I hate the last year. And the stuff I've had to say in defence of it all. Who wants to talk about other peoples sex lives? Don't know how to square that circle.
edited to say ban away, I can have a quiet Xmas then with the family without banging my head against the wall.
edited to say ban away, I can have a quiet Xmas then with the family without banging my head against the wall.
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SpackleFrog
Smash showy bell-bottom pants and sporty haircuts
HAD to say? How about don't fucking say it you obnoxious cunt?
prob best not to stay, people are changing their minds and stuff so I might get it wrong.
Nigel Irritable
Five, Ten, Fifteen Years
Fair enough, although are there any big names we haven't heard from other than Gonzalez, Dee and Davidson?
comrade spurski
Well-Known Member
Imagine if a 48 yr police officer had a sexual relationship with a 17 yr old police cadet who later accused him of harassment and later still accused him of rape. Then imagine the police office was investigated by 7 or 8 friends who found him innocent. Then imagine these friends had supplied him with the accusers statements but had not given her his statement. Then imagine that the woman was questioned about her drinking habits and asked if she was just a bitter ex. Then imagine they found him innocent of rape and allowed him to go back to his previous position and at a conference of police officers he was allowed to make a speech berating those who believed the woman and he received a footstamping ovation.
On top of this imagine that a second woman came forward with a complaint of sexual harassment but the friends refused to investigate this as they believed it was irrelevant.
I spent 24 years in the swp...I was an organiser for a short time 19 years ago ... I left 5 yrs or so ago (I explained my history in an earlier post) ... I have known Delta since 1989...I was in the same branch with him for a couple of years...he was then my district organiser between late 94 -97 when I worked in a Council...I regularly came across him and personally found him friendly but I fail to see how I or you can decide that he did NOT rape a women when she says she did NOT consent to sex ... who the fuck are you or your wife or his friends to decide he his telling the truth and that the woman aint?
You and they have decided to believe him over her...the simple question is why?
Because you knew him?
Because he weren't the type?
Because socialists don't rape?
Because you ain't a feminist?
Because socialists with no rape investigation training and no forensic training or evidence who happened to be friends of his said so?
You have no fucking idea what went on apart from these facts:
1) A woman made an allegation of sexual harassment against delta
2) She later made an allegation of rape
3) He denied any wrong doing
4) The investigation was conducted by his friends
5) Another woman mad sexual harassment allegations against delta which they refused to investigate
6) When it became obvious that they would have to investigate he left before they could do so
7) VERY FEW WOMEN LIE ABOUT BEING RAPED
and yet you your wife and the swp know he ain't a rapist...though you and your wife think he is a "sleazy dick" and still you rejoined the swp to help it after it did everything it could to protect this "sleazy dick"...you have some weirdly fucked up sensibilities
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I know of about 150 that have resigned. And it's growing by the hour.
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hiraethified
I've no idea what's going on here, but will remind posters that making accusations of rape or any other sexual misconduct against named individuals that have not been proven in a court of law is likely to create serious problems for the site. Please edit your posts accordingly.
benedict
Well-Known Member
You're quite the martyr aren't yer?
DotCommunist
So many particulars. So many questions.
christ that would be one hell of a libel case....
bolshiebhoy
socialism leinster drink
Christ no, you're right, strictly first world problem.
[quote}There are some big names staying too (ie former oppo's). The loyalists are saying 'the swp isn't collapsing'. That is true, but its gonna be a long dwindling twilight as they get older and grumpier.[/quote]
The CC are panicking. Their statement yesterday was not a sign of strength. More people have left than they were expecting. The couple of CC members who are going around trying to persuade people to stay are having a failure rate close to 100%.
The CC are panicking. Their statement yesterday was not a sign of strength. More people have left than they were expecting. The couple of CC members who are going around trying to persuade people to stay are having a failure rate close to 100%.
Utterly fucked up.
bolshiebhoy
socialism leinster drink
So one take on a situation none of us know enough about to say a fucking word on is fucked up but all the other mutually contradictory ones are ok? Bollox, none of us are qualified to say shit. But its only when anyone vaguely opposed to the demise of the SWP speculates that the world goes apeshit. This situation is a mess but there isn't just one take on it allowed.
DotCommunist
So many particulars. So many questions.
the other take is to have the conversation over wether it was 'forced' or not? Calling it 'bad sex'?
have a word with yourself. There's more forms of coercion than physical force ffs. Why are we even having this line from you?
have a word with yourself. There's more forms of coercion than physical force ffs. Why are we even having this line from you?
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