SWP expulsions and squabbles

[SpackleFrog]

There's just far far fewer groups around.

I'm sure we could come up with a list of groups that have disappeared in the last 20 years versus groups that have formed in the last 20 years.

That'd be fun!

Well volunteered - I look forward to it.

 

[articul8]

There's just far far fewer groups around.

I'm sure we could come up with a list of groups that have disappeared in the last 20 years versus groups that have formed in the last 20 years.

That'd be fun!

What about those that have been formed and disappeared in the last 20 years (Permament Revolution, Anti-Capitalist Initiative etc.)

 

[butchersapron]

What about those that have been formed and disappeared in the last 20 years (Permament Revolution, Anti-Capitalist Initiative etc.)

He said we.

 

[chilango]

What about those that have been formed and disappeared in the last 20 years (Permament Revolution, Anti-Capitalist Initiative etc.)

hmmm

 

[belboid]

Ian Allinson, Unite EC member, has resigned as well. Thy wont have anyone at all left on union exec's at this rate

 

[Nigel Irritable]

Ian Allinson, Unite EC member, has resigned as well. Thy wont have anyone at all left on union exec's at this rate

Their members who are relatively high up in unions (a) have something to lose and more importantly (b) have no choice but to interact with and work with other leftists all the time. They can't just hang out with their branch.

 

[belboid]

Where else do they have anyone? UCU and NUT are probably about it

 

[chilango]

Right then ya fuckers. Here goes.

Groups which were around 20 years or so ago but aren't anymore:


Class War Federation
Democratic Left
International Leninst Workers Party
International Socialist Group
Marxist Party
Movement for a Socialist Future
Revoultionary Communist League of Britain
Revolutionary Communist Party
Revolutionary Workers' Party
Workers' Power
WRP (Workers Press)

 

[frogwoman]

worker's power's still around isn't it?

 

[belboid]

Movement for a Socialist Future
...
Workers' Power

both still exist (tho the former only on the internet, probably)

 

[chilango]

Having said that...are all of these still going (the complete list of lefty groups from 2012)?

Anarchist Federation
Alliance for Green Socialism
Alliance for Workers Liberty
Autonmous Class War
Class War
Communist Corresponding Society
Communist Party of Britain
Communist Party of Great Britain (Provisional Central Committe)
Communist Party of Britain-Marxist Leninist
Communist Party of Great Britain-Marxist Leninist
Communist Workers Organisation
Communist Action
Communist League (The Militant)
Communist League/Movement for a Socialist Future
Communist League of Great Britain
Counterfire
The Commune
Economic and Philosophic Science Review (International Leninist Workers Party )
Green Anarchist
International Bolshevik Tendency
International Communist Current
International Communist Party - Communist Left
International Communist Party - Internationalist Papers
International Communist Party / Socialist Equality Party
International Communist League (Fourth International) / Spartacist League
International Communist Tendency (ex IBRP)
International Socialist Group / Socialist Resistance
International Socialist Group – Bamberyite
International Socialist League
Independent Working Class Association
Industrial Workers of the World
Liberty and Solidarity
Maoist Internationalist Movement
New Communist Party
Proletarian Democracy
Peace and Progress Party
Permanent Revolution
Revolutionary Communist Party of Britain (Marxist-Leninist)
Revolutionary Communist Group
Revolutionary Democratic Group
Revolutionary Internationalist League
Revolutionary Internationalist Movement
Revolutionary Workers Party
Respect
RCPGB-ML
Socialist Action
Socialist Appeal
Socialist Fight
Socialist Labour Party
Socialist Workers Party
Socialist Party
SPGB - Socialist Standard
SPGB - Socialist Studies
Solidarity - Sheridanites
Solidarity - Solidarity paper
Socialist League
SolFed
TUSC
United Socialist Party
Workers Action
Workers Power
WRP (Newsline)
WRP (Workers Press) / Movement for Socialism / Reclaim the Future
WRP (WIRFI)
Workers Internationalist League
Workers Fight
World in Common

 

[chilango]

both still exist (tho the former only on the internet, probably)

What? Workers Power still exist?

Hoorah!

 

[J Ed]

I had no idea the Maoist Internationalist Movement existed off of the internet, do they sound out the KKKrackers and AmeriKKKa stuff in person like they do on the internet?

 

[imposs1904]

Had a quick look, can't seem to find it, but I'm sure I downloaded it at some point will look further. You have the whole book or just the excerpt that got turned into a pamphlet?

I used to have the whole thing somewhere. A great read.

I read that years ago. It must have had a massive print run at the time because that and Douglas Hyde's 'I Believed' would always turn up in secondhand bookshops for fifty pence.

 

[Oisin123]

If there was nobody here taking the loyalist position, the organisation as a whole would not have (a) stayed silent for the last year and (b) opted to remain as the sister organisation of the loyalists post split. Or are you suggesting that it made those decisions because it doesn't want to make poor JM cry (even if those tears would be shed only in his capacity as a British SWP member)?

Those decisions make a certain degree of sense as results of a desire to avoid ripping into each other over something in another country, but without that excuse they are harder to explain in a sympathetic way.

I'm happy enough with the way the Irish SWP dealt with this issue. We took a position that the British CC got it wrong, we communicated that position to anyone who asked, and to the British CC. It's too early to say what will happen in the IST and no discussion has yet been had on that subject. Personally, I share your opinion that the British SWP will not be able to make meaningful contribution to a future socialist revolution, but I'm probably in a minority about that. It's a different question, one that even people very angry at the British SWP wouldn't be sure of the answer to.

 

[chilango]

both still exist (tho the former only on the internet, probably)

#
The Communist League was a small Trotskyist organisation in Britain. Better known as Movement for a Socialist Future, it split from the Marxist Party in 1990, claiming to hold more closely to the ideas of Gerry Healy. In 1994, it published a strongly positive biography of Healy, with a foreword by Ken Livingstone. The same year, it founded a small international organisation, which it declared the Fifth International of Communists. It produced the magazine Socialist Future Review.

The group decided to orient itself towards the anti-capitalist movement and published a book entitled A World to Win. In June 2005, it dissolved itself into A World to Win, a looser organisation based around that book.

 

[chilango]

P'rps I'm wrong about the number of groups to disappear, many I assumed long gone are clinging on for dear life on the internet.

 

[chilango]

I had no idea the Maoist Internationalist Movement existed off of the internet, do they sound out the KKKrackers and AmeriKKKa stuff in person like they do on the internet?

Never actually met them. Used to buy their paper though.

 

[frogwoman]

P'rps I'm wrong about the number of groups to disappear, many I assumed long gone are clinging on for dear life on the internet.

i've seen workers power at several demos etc

 

[articul8]

Does the Socialist Equality Party still exist?

 

[mk12]

#
The Communist League was a small Trotskyist organisation in Britain. Better known as Movement for a Socialist Future, it split from the Marxist Party in 1990, claiming to hold more closely to the ideas of Gerry Healy. In 1994, it published a strongly positive biography of Healy, with a foreword by Ken Livingstone. The same year, it founded a small international organisation, which it declared the Fifth International of Communists. It produced the magazine Socialist Future Review.

The group decided to orient itself towards the anti-capitalist movement and published a book entitled A World to Win. In June 2005, it dissolved itself into A World to Win, a looser organisation based around that book.

I bought that at the ESF! It was a pretty comprehensive outline of what a socialist society would be like.

 

[chilango]

i've seen workers power at several demos etc

yeah. I remember now someone here posting a photo of a WP seller on a demo the other day.

 

[butchersapron]

Never actually met them. Used to buy their paper though.

They run the maoist internet movie database now.

 

[belboid]

Does the Socialist Equality Party still exist?

sadly, yes. Mainly in Sheffield it seems

 

[chilango]

Does the Socialist Equality Party still exist?

Yep

Defending Assange amongst other things.

 

[frogwoman]

they run the world socialist website

their leader is actually a millionaire businessman

 

[chilango]

Right then ya fuckers. Here goes.

Groups which were around 20 years or so ago but aren't anymore:


Class War Federation
Democratic Left
International Leninst Workers Party
International Socialist Group
Marxist Party
Movement for a Socialist Future
Revoultionary Communist League of Britain
Revolutionary Communist Party
Revolutionary Workers' Party
Workers' Power
WRP (Workers Press)

I think the Workers International League have gone too.

 

[articul8]

Yep

Defending Assange amongst other things.

at least they're consistent

 

[articul8]

Right then ya fuckers. Here goes.

Groups which were around 20 years or so ago but aren't anymore:


Class War Federation
Democratic Left
International Leninst Workers Party
International Socialist Group
Marxist Party
Movement for a Socialist Future
Revoultionary Communist League of Britain
Revolutionary Communist Party
Revolutionary Workers' Party
Workers' Power
WRP (Workers Press)

you missed Workers’ Institute of Marxism-Leninism- Mao Tsetung Thought

 

[frogwoman]

comrade bala lives