SWP expulsions and squabbles

[The39thStep]

Not for me no - dental abscess so I'm in absolute agony and the emergency doctor (couldn't even get to see a dentist) gave me antibiotics so I can't drink - it's remarkably shit. And I won't get to see a dentist till the 8th

Sorry to hear that

 

[The39thStep]

Have never claimed it was at any point on this forum.

That was an unnecessarily unpleasant snipe, so get stuffed and Happy Xmas. Ta.

Over sensitive type ? Seasons greeting to you anyway

 

[love detective]

seasonally adjusted greetings

 

[Casually Red]

Not for me no - dental abscess so I'm in absolute agony and the emergency doctor (couldn't even get to see a dentist) gave me antibiotics so I can't drink - it's remarkably shit. And I won't get to see a dentist till the 8th

thats just a lie doctors tell you just to stop you drinking . A few beers will do you no harm whatsoever . Only specialised antibiotics are affected by alcohol . Most aren't . Id assume you've been prescribed a course of amoxycilin . 3 or 4 beers will do sweet fuck all harm . Any more than that and youve only got to worry about a bit more dehydration than usual . Still eff all to do with the antibiotic and just related to the infection itself. Just drink more water.

 

[William of Walworth]

Over sensitive type ? Seasons greeting to you anyway

If you'd read some of my posts five or so years back, you'd have realised that that one above from me was pretty restrained on my part

But yeah enjoy the season and so on

 

[The39thStep]

Maturity is the mark of a man

 

[SpineyNorman]

thats just a lie doctors tell you just to stop you drinking . A few beers will do you no harm whatsoever . Only specialised antibiotics are affected by alcohol . Most aren't . Id assume you've been prescribed a course of amoxycilin . 3 or 4 beers will do sweet fuck all harm . Any more than that and youve only got to worry about a bit more dehydration than usual . Still eff all to do with the antibiotic and just related to the infection itself. Just drink more water.

Seriously doesn't stop the antibiotics working? Only I got a bottle of single malt and a crate of Guinness in my Christmas box and I'm thinking it might be more effective as a painkiller than the ibuprofen I've been taking.

 

[Casually Red]

nope

Seriously doesn't stop the antibiotics working? Only I got a bottle of single malt and a crate of Guinness in my Christmas box and I'm thinking it might be more effective as a painkiller than the ibuprofen I've been taking.

nope . Its only antibiotics for some serious strains of bacteria, like water borne illnesses and tropical diseases and the likes or for some serious gastric illnesses. Your run of the mill amoxies and the like wont be affected. Its a myth doctors peddle to stop you having fun, which is of course always bad for you . Just remember to drink a fair bit of water if your going to cane it .

 

[Buckaroo]

Seriously doesn't stop the antibiotics working? Only I got a bottle of single malt and a crate of Guinness in my Christmas box and I'm thinking it might be more effective as a painkiller than the ibuprofen I've been taking.

Whiskey and guiness every time mate. Crush some cloves and pack em round yer tooth. Tastes like the dentists, must be right. Saw that about 'M', cheers, and saw Dave's 'Phew' comment on twatter. Silly, dangerous stuff.

 

[Casually Red]

Seriously doesn't stop the antibiotics working? Only I got a bottle of single malt and a crate of Guinness in my Christmas box and I'm thinking it might be more effective as a painkiller than the ibuprofen I've been taking.

dont just take my word for it


http://www.netdoctor.co.uk/ate/infections/202426.html

 

[KeeperofDragons]

thats just a lie doctors tell you just to stop you drinking . A few beers will do you no harm whatsoever . Only specialised antibiotics are affected by alcohol . Most aren't . Id assume you've been prescribed a course of amoxycilin . 3 or 4 beers will do sweet fuck all harm . Any more than that and youve only got to worry about a bit more dehydration than usual . Still eff all to do with the antibiotic and just related to the infection itself. Just drink more water.

Depends on what they give you, I got given some stuff that began with m (can't remember the name) that made me want to puke even if I smelled alcohol, apparently if you drink with this one you're supposed to chuck your guts up

 

[cesare]

Depends on what they give you, I got given some stuff that began with m (can't remember the name) that made me want to puke even if I smelled alcohol, apparently if you drink with this one you're supposed to chuck your guts up

Yeah, I can't remember the name of it either but I was given one for a dental abcess where I was told alcohol would make me vomit and vomit etc. Casually Red's right about the general broad spectrum ones though.

 

[JimW]

I always check the left sectariana threads before I take any medication

Hope you feel better soon, Spiney.

 

[William of Walworth]

Can I ask anti-SWPers, ex-SWPers, and maybe even present ones, this question? Kind of coming from my first post on this thread.

Is the fast turnover of membership -- recruit a lot, and then quicky lose a lot -- something the Central Committee and leaders happily accept as a deliberate part of their strategy? Refine the wheat (hardcore cadres) from the chaff (temporary enthusiasts)??

Reads a bit like that from some of what people have been posting on this thread. But hugely pissing off far more people (see my earlier post #118) than you successfully rant at/indoctrinate, seems like a fuckload of thankless work and waste to this outsider.

Maybe I ought to remind myself of what Leon, Vladimir and Josef wrote originally, as well as Karl but anecdotal UK-SWP specific answers would be fine

 

[bignose1]

Not for me no - dental abscess so I'm in absolute agony and the emerge.ncy doctor (couldn't even get to see a dentist) gave me antibiotics so I can't drink - it's remarkably shit. And I won't get to see a dentist till the 8th

Yeah, I can't remember the name of it either but I was given one for a dental abcess where I was told alcohol would make me vomit and vomit etc. Casually Red's right about the general broad spectrum ones though.

Ive got a script for Tramadol that I never used...been told it'd work even if someone pulled your arm off at the shoulder.

 

[William of Walworth]

Been updating myself about 'vanguardism' etc in the Workers Girder thread.

I think most of the answers to my questions above can be found there

 

[SpineyNorman]

Ive got a script for Tramadol that I never used...been told it'd work even if someone pulled your arm off at the shoulder.

My brother has them for his back - seriously good shit - very, very powerful. Gave me one when my shoulder (out of which my arm once really was very nearly ripped off but that's another story) was playing up and within about an hour I could hardly feel a thing. It was a bit too good for me though cos since it didn't hurt I ended up using my arm much more than I should have so when the tramadol wore off it hurt even more.

You need to be careful with the dose though because they're either opiates or opiods, can't remember which, so if you take too much for too long you'll be clucking like a christmas turkey when your script runs out.

 

[harpo]

Metronidozole alert!!! Often given for gumboils and DO NOT drink on them. They will make you projectile vom.

I hope this comment has not come too late although I suspect it may have and someone will be finding out the hard way, as did I, that metronidozole and alcohol is a very nasty combination.

 

[cesare]

Metronidozole alert!!! Often given for gumboils and DO NOT drink on them. They will make you projectile vom.

I hope this comment has not come too late although I suspect it may have and someone will be finding out the hard way, as did I, that metronidozole and alcohol is a very nasty combination.

That's the one!!!

 

[harpo]

That's the one!!!

It's a dirty drug alright. You do have to question the motives for prescribing it. As people have said, amoxycillin usually does the job, There's no need to prescribe stuff that makes you puke (/gives you thrush/).

 

[Cornetto]

It was directed to the anarchist cornetto and the leninist DU. That better opp means fuck all as well- look at the state of it.

I'm not an anarchist BA.

I dont agree with the CC of the SWP on most organisational issues. However the SWP has been the most significant org in assiting and organising UCU left, of which I am a part of. Getting national struggle kicked off for the first time in donkeys years around pensions. It's a shame that issue got kicked into the long grass, but, it is, what it is.

I think Paris and the Democratic Opposition platform may cause a massive internal reflection and discussion on future organisation, this has been going on for some time and many agree with the DO platform. The SWP has too many full timers and London hangers on, this has gor to go, it is not healthy for a left party or organisation of this size.

I dont have a problem with a centrally organised group based on the principles of DC, however the SWP as it is is not DC.

You keep banging on about the failings of the SWP BA, but to be honest its just bluster there is no other left organisation capable of putting out the level of information and support for left trade unionists, that in itself is problemtaic.
Im utterly bored of people banging on the net, winning arguments and been right, the left is always winning arguments and getting no where. One of the reasons i post very rarely on here.

 

[butchersapron]

Why didn't you put an announcement in the paper about it? How are we to keep up with your spots otherwise?

 

[JimW]

I'm not an anarchist BA.

Say it three times so it's even more like Peter denying Christ

 

[butchersapron]

Looking at that musical marixts things again - it totally revolves around the two of them's relationship with the swp - one expelled 18 years ago one left 3 years ago and everything, no matter what the ostensible topic is actually about the SWP. I actually have a lot of time for what they are trying to do and how they do it, but after all this time to still be concentrating on the SWP (and to only have gone as far as Debord and Adorno) is a bit...well crap.

 

[mutley]

'Can I ask anti-SWPers, ex-SWPers, and maybe even present ones, this question? Kind of coming from my first post on this thread.

Is the fast turnover of membership -- recruit a lot, and then quicky lose a lot -- something the Central Committee and leaders happily accept as a deliberate part of their strategy? Refine the wheat (hardcore cadres) from the chaff (temporary enthusiasts)??'

Absolutley not - significant effort has gone into reducing the level of turnover. How successful that has been I'm not sure, as 2012 has been a much harder year than 2011 was, its hard to judge the success of any particular change in recruitment strategy. I'm not actually convinced that the swp's turnover is significantly worse than other organisations, but I might be wrong.

 

[butchersapron]

What efforts? And why? What does the fact that these efforts were required suggest to you?

 

[Das Uberdog]

Looking at that musical marixts things again - it totally revolves around the two of them's relationship with the swp - one expelled 18 years ago one left 3 years ago and everything, no matter what the ostensible topic is actually about the SWP. I actually have a lot of time for what they are trying to do and how they do it, but after all this time to still be concentrating on the SWP (and to only have gone as far as Debord and Adorno) is a bit...well crap.

you answered your own issue there, it's about the SWP because it's about the SWP. like it or not that is a large factor in the modus operandi. obviously that's not too interesting or useful for those not interested in the SWP, but hey ho.

 

[butchersapron]

I think the site and the stuff they write aggressively pushes the idea of working class culture and capabilities that points directly and immediately beyond the SWP, beyond leninist discipline, beyond the party. Yet it's always there for them. It doesn't have to be.

 

[Das Uberdog]

i do actually agree with that... as i say though, in the not unlikely event that the DO are prevented from returning to the Party, i think that will be it. hopefully all the serious old cadre will leave with the DO this time and things can move on.

 

[mutley]

What efforts? And why? What does the fact that these efforts were required suggest to you?

Various measures at the national level aimed at making sure that when people filled in a membership form that they actually did want to be members (ie phoning them up!), and more systematic attention paid to who had joined by people at a branch level. Membership secretaries. Educationals (not sure how consistently they've happened). None of it earth shattering stuff.

i think that second part of your question obviously has a whole range of possible answers. For me its a combination of the frustrating nature of the current period (ruling class on the rampage, our side led by donkies) plus lack of attention to ppl at a local level (ie the infamous 'subjective factor'). I dare say you'd have other answers, but I still think the turnover problem is a problem for the left in general, not just the swp.