belboid
Exasperated, not angry.
The Maxine b of the awl...
SWP expulsions and squabbles
- Thread starter Nigel Irritable
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SpineyNorman
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Hmmmm..... now why might she want to lie about this, given the way your members have been embarrassed by this when they've tried to use it as a stick to beat the SP with? I really have no idea.
Phillip_Larkin
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As neither me nor you were there, then we can't prove it either way. But just as the AWL might have reasons for saying what they are, so would the Socialist Party.
Phillip_Larkin
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But this is all a bit of secondary question compared to why the Socialist Party haven't had anything to say about Hedley's sexist remarks and are happy to welcome him to Socialism 2013, and after issuing a statement where he regards you as comrades. Don't you think the Socialist Party should have anything at all to say about this, especially given that until very recently he was a member in your organisation?
SpineyNorman
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He wasn't in the SP you plum. Why not fuck off and write an article about how Muslims need bombing cos they're from a primitive desert tribe or something?
Phillip_Larkin
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Why would I write an article for an organisation I'm not part of? So rant away about the AWL if you like 
as I said it's pretty much entirely secondary to the point I'm making about the Socialist Party and sexist remarks by Hedley. I don't give a shit about the AWL.
as I said it's pretty much entirely secondary to the point I'm making about the Socialist Party and sexist remarks by Hedley. I don't give a shit about the AWL.
SpineyNorman
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Ah I see - lying didn't work so now you're moving the goalposts. I'd have thought the best way to get that information would be to call the centre. But that's not really what you're here for is it?
SpineyNorman
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Why would I write an article for an organisation I'm not part of? So rant away about the AWL if you like
I don't believe you.
Phillip_Larkin
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Why would I call "the centre" about someone who is in an organisation that I'm not part of and don't give a shit about? My point about Janine Booth is it would be rather strange to lie about something that could so easily be shown to be otherwise, such as if a vote was taken and recorded in the minutes.
Phillip_Larkin
New Member
Don't believe me then lol. If you want to keep ranting about the AWL go ahead. They are zionists after all. But still find it strange you have absolutely nothing to say about the fact that Hedley makes explicit sexist remarks to a young woman and you have no issue that not only have the socialist party had nothing to say about it, they also welcome him to your national event. Would it have been any different if he had made homophobic remarks? Or racist remarks? Or can sexist remarks just be ignored?
Nigel Irritable
Five, Ten, Fifteen Years
Are you taking the piss? You want me to comment seriously on some sexist drivel a trade union official posted in an old Facebook row?
Also, nice try on the AWL thing. You just happen to be standing next to that nice Janine Booth in a bus queue and got chatting to her about her voting record on the RMT executive? And then by some coincidence your very first post on the thread was mostly concerned with defending the AWL against an accusation of hypocrisy?
Jesus, they really do need a better quality of recruit round in Sean's Muslim hating poetry society.
Phillip_Larkin
New Member
As I said keep on keeping on about the AWL. I probably agree with most things you have to say about them, including Sean's poetry.
Yes I do expect the Socialist Party to say something about sexist drivel that a trade union official posted in a facebook row, given that he was either a member of the Socialist Party when he said it, or very close to being a member, given that he still comes to your events as a comrade, and given that senior trade union officals should not go around making sexist remarks. If he had made homophobic or racist remarks on facebook, could they just be ignored and written off as drivel as well? Anyway you have made your point clear, no point carrying this on really.
Yes I do expect the Socialist Party to say something about sexist drivel that a trade union official posted in a facebook row, given that he was either a member of the Socialist Party when he said it, or very close to being a member, given that he still comes to your events as a comrade, and given that senior trade union officals should not go around making sexist remarks. If he had made homophobic or racist remarks on facebook, could they just be ignored and written off as drivel as well? Anyway you have made your point clear, no point carrying this on really.
Nigel Irritable
Five, Ten, Fifteen Years
Phillip Larkin said:
As the SP takes an almost entirely laissez faire attitude to things its own members say on Facebook, you will be a long time waiting for it to start putting out statements on non-members tawdry Facebook behaviour.
As for their being no point carrying this on, see you next time.
Nigel Irritable
Five, Ten, Fifteen Years
According to a poster late of this parish over on leftist trainspotters, there's a "middle ground" document being circulated at the last minute. The authors are a faction member who vigorously opposes leaving after conference and McGarr a "middle ground" CC nominee.
Our informant speculates that its an attempt to divide the faction and limit the size of the split, and that sounds about right.
Our informant speculates that its an attempt to divide the faction and limit the size of the split, and that sounds about right.
SpackleFrog
Smash showy bell-bottom pants and sporty haircuts
I'm really glad the AWL have stepped in, played a great role throughout this whole issue and told the left to get it's house in order. I mean, think about it. I mean, Steve Hedley publicly claimed that he provided evidence of texts, emails and medical records that proved he was himself a victim of domestic abuse to the RMT investigation, and doubtless would have gotten away with such brazen lies if Janine Booth hadn't bravely publicly called him out on this falsification. It's really good too that the AWL supported and encouraged her to do this despite the fact it put their only major trade unionist in the country in a potentially risky position - it shows they would never put their own narrow interests above those of the labour movement.
Oh wait, that didn't happen.
Still, at least the AWL aren't hypocrites. They took it really seriously when some of their leading student members, including Ed Maltby and Gordon Maloney were accused of sexual harassment and sexual assault. They acknowledged the complaints and took appropriate action straight away. They certainly wouldn't have allowed female activists to simply give up on attempting to secure a recognition of wrongdoing and walk away because they felt unable to attend events anymore.
Oh, wait, that didn't happen.
Fair play, you could line up representatives of every left group in the country, chuck a stone with your eyes closed and almost certainly hit a slimy, unpleasant, scheming sectarian hack bastard. But you just can't beat the AWL for sheer unadulterated toxicity - there are literally no depths they will not sink to.
SpackleFrog
Smash showy bell-bottom pants and sporty haircuts
Oh, god, it's gonna drag on for another year...
Nigel Irritable
Five, Ten, Fifteen Years
It's going to drag on forever, just with the cast and audience endlessly shrinking. One of those curve approaching a line but never quite touching things.
SpackleFrog
Smash showy bell-bottom pants and sporty haircuts
SpineyNorman
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Don't then. But don't be surprised when I tell you I've got better things to do than find out what Peter Taffe thinks about some twattish fb posts made by someone who wasn't a member at the time and isn't now either and then relay said info back to someone who deffo isn't in the awl but seems nonetheless desperately keen to defend them from accusations of hypocrisy.
Karmickameleon
Too long in exile
Who's the faction member?
Phillip_Larkin
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I'm not very keen at all though am I. In fact I have no interest at all. My initial post was just to say things might not be quite as simple as SP members are saying in terms of the RMT exec, as senior people in the RMT, and the SP, have their own agenda. If it makes you feel better by keeping laying in to the AWL then keep doing it, and all power to you for doing so.
I'm fairly sure when Hedley made the comments on facebook he was a member of the Socialist Party. He is still welcomed at your events. It's not about "twattish FB posts", it's about him making extremely sexist comments to a young woman on a fairly public facebook thread. If he had abused a gay person with homophobic insults or a black person with racist insults on facebook, would you just dismiss them as "twattish comments" and say the person was still welcome at Socialism 2013?
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
Is that ye cockers?
Karmickameleon
Too long in exile
This is probably the only time that I'll post something favourable to the AWL, but here they get it more or less right:
http://www.workersliberty.org/story/2013/12/11/no-physical-attacks-swp
http://www.workersliberty.org/story/2013/12/11/no-physical-attacks-swp
SpackleFrog
Smash showy bell-bottom pants and sporty haircuts
On the surface, yes. But if they have a couple of activists at Sussex it wouldn't surprise me if they suggested it.
Phillip_Larkin
New Member
I thought the AWL were the devil incarnate?
leyton96
NGO's selling privilege checking solutions
As always you over-estimate your own importance. You're certainly not the Dark Lord Himself, or even one of the Duke's of Hell. Minor Imps of the First Circle would be a more accurate analogy.
Phillip_Larkin
New Member
That's actually quite funny.
articul8
Dishonest sociopath
"Almost" - not with Steve Dobbs they don't
leyton96
NGO's selling privilege checking solutions
Perhaps you should pass the evidence of this alleged disgraceful behaviour over to the police? That's how your party leadership deals with its members it finds itself in dispute with.
Nigel Irritable
Five, Ten, Fifteen Years
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