SWP expulsions and squabbles

[laptop]

is that what we generally mean by 'social determination' tho?

Of course it isn't, I just suddenly acquired a fascination with non-genetic sex determination

Either way, it doesn't lend support to Molyneux.

The point.

 

[Nigel Irritable]

The Bristol branch of the Anarchist Fed have a statement out saying, amongst other things that they are going to try to get the SWP barred from all future campaign groups. Which sounds messy and somewhat unwise.

 

[Spanky Longhorn]

Pointless

 

[laptop]

The Bristol branch of the Anarchist Fed have a statement out saying, amongst other things that they are going to try to get the SWP barred from all future campaign groups. Which sounds messy and somewhat unwise.

"It's a witch-hunt!!!11!!"

 

[Nice one]

The Bristol branch of the Anarchist Fed have a statement out saying, amongst other things that they are going to try to get the SWP barred from all future campaign groups. Which sounds messy and somewhat unwise.

fair play for bristol af for doing this - making a stand rather than having an opinion on the matter. I have not doubts they will propose barring the SWP from all future events they are jointly involved in organising.

Further to this the SWP are barred from events, demos, public meetings and all other activities we solely organise. We believe that the presence of people who support the SWP’s central committee, their banners, placards and propaganda, contravenes our safer spaces policy. For these reasons they are not welcome and would be asked to leave. Individual SWP members (not including paid employees of the SWP) who do not support the actions of their Central Committee are still welcome to attend (without SWP propaganda), however we would question why such an individual would still be in the party. Finally we will propose barring the SWP from all future events we are jointly involved in organising.

http://bristolaf.wordpress.com/2013/10/13/statement-to-the-swp-about-its-rape-apologism/

 

[dominion]

Not pointless, but about time:

Here's the link:

http://bristolaf.wordpress.com/2013/10/13/statement-to-the-swp-about-its-rape-apologism/#more-1399

 

[Nigel Irritable]

Less a witch hunt than an intention to turn any attempt to set up new campaigns into a shouting match about the SWP. It's also a bit self righteous, given that they can't know who is an oppositionist in advance or even if the random SWP member they want to give the third degree to is one of the women directly concerned.

 

[belboid]

And what will happen on two demos against the edl or whoever, both of which take place at the same time and place?

 

[Nice one]

Less a witch hunt than an intention to turn any attempt to set up new campaigns into a shouting match about the SWP.

not doubt followed by a rousing chorus of i am a cider drink at the uni bar

 

[dominion]

Ban the lot then. The SWP is beyond redemption as the latest revelations (post delta) have shown us.

 

[Nigel Irritable]

not doubt followed by a rousing chorus of i am a cider drink at the uni bar

Have you had a couple of ciders yourself by any chance?

 

[Nigel Irritable]

Ban the lot then. The SWP is beyond redemption as the latest revelations (post delta) have shown us.

Given that you are hostile to the SWP, the SWP oppositionalists, the Anarchist Federation, the socialist left in general and just about any campaign any of the above might be involved in, what gives you the impression that anyone gives a flying fuck what you think?

 

[Nice one]

Have you had a couple of ciders yourself by any chance?

i'm sure bristol af are old enough to be able to make their proposals in a serious, civilised and courteous manner.

 

[Nigel Irritable]

i'm sure bristol af are old enough to be able to make their proposals in a serious, civilised and courteous manner.

Doesn't matter how politely it's raised. Proposals to throw people out will consistently end in shouting matches.

 

[Nice one]

Doesn't matter how politely it's raised. Proposals to throw people out will consistently end in shouting matches.

possibly. But it does ensure all the other groups involved are forced to make a decision one way or the other the matter, which i thought is the point. Will it lose them friends and allies? Possibly. Will it be difficult to implement and adhere to? Almost certainly. But they obviously think what's at stake is worth the cost. As i say fair play to them.

 

[butchersapron]

They don't do anything with the handful of swp left in the city anyway.

 

[bolshiebhoy]

The Mail and the Sun go for Newman

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...success-Ed-says-party-HASNT-lurched-Left.html
http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/politics/5198556/Stalin-was-great-says-red-Eds-man.html

 

[Nigel Irritable]

They don't do anything with the handful of swp left in the city anyway.

Ah. So not something that's actually going to feature much in practice?

 

[Nigel Irritable]

The Mail and the Sun go for Newman

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...success-Ed-says-party-HASNT-lurched-Left.html
http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/politics/5198556/Stalin-was-great-says-red-Eds-man.html

Oi! Where's all this "shit" you were talking about?

 

[8den]

It beggars believe that a political party could assume a criminal act is a matter of internal resolution. Well SF can do it, but they have their own police force, oh and are fucking scum.

 

[bolshiebhoy]

Oi! Where's all this "shit" you were talking about?

Sorry this Newman story distracted me, West Country Labour circles are all excited about it. Bastard Mail found a way to force me to defend him, despite his role in this mess.

The opposition have been musing this weekend about what they would do to the party if they won. Scary stuff.

 

[Nigel Irritable]

The opposition have been musing this weekend about what they would do to the party if they won. Scary stuff.

Facebook chatter or actual documents?

 

[bolshiebhoy]

Facebook chatter or actual documents?

I doubt they're going to put it all in IB2 no.

 

[Nigel Irritable]

I doubt they're going to put it all in IB2 no.

What are they suggesting and how representative of the opposition is it? You are being so vague it's hard to know what you are talking about here

 

[mutley]

He's talking about facebook chatter that's got no actual formal standing in the opposition. But the ISN revelations has def made people think about what they are actually going to do in January.

 

[Red Cat]

They believe that Rhetta would talk a woman out of making an official complaint to protect the party?

 

[bolshiebhoy]

There seems to be very little the opposition won't accuse anyone on any party body of doing. Some of them seem very close to the position that asking any questions in a rape case is misogyny.

 

[belboid]

There seems to be very little the opposition won't accuse anyone on any party body of doing. Some of them seem very close to the position that asking any questions in a rape case is misogyny.

Oh stop making things up. You refuse to actually come up with anything to support your earlier fictions and are now just trying to move on and hope no one will notice. Just like Callinicos!

 

[belboid]

They believe that Rhetta would talk a woman out of making an official complaint to protect the party?

That'd be Rhetta who thought it was fine for someone to ask 'is It true you like a drink'. She'd clearly say/do anything to defend her party.

 

[discokermit]

Some of them seem very close to the position that asking any questions in a rape case is misogyny.

you know what the questions were.
you know what the questions mean.
i used to have some time for you, but if that's your answer to this latest disgusting, misogynistic shit, then you're lost. you're as bad as the scum you defend.