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'Professor Darkside attacks a rebel base on the internet'

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Anyone been following this btw? Someone's got a minor axe to grind with the SP on the falling rate of profit theory, and was banned from the summer school because of it!

http://69.195.124.91/~brucieba/

I'm kind of feeling sympathetic to the SP leadership on this one tbh as the guy seems a bit of a loon. There are serious issues about democracy in the party though (which is a big reason why I left).
 
frogwoman said:
Anyone been following this btw? Someone's got a minor axe to grind with the SP on the falling rate of profit theory, and was banned from the summer school because of it!

http://69.195.124.91/~brucieba/

I'm kind of feeling sympathetic to the SP leadership on this one tbh as the guy seems a bit of a loon. There are serious issues about democracy in the party though (which is a big reason why I left).
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'a lenin aptly said...'
 
frogwoman said:
Anyone been following this btw? Someone's got a minor axe to grind with the SP on the falling rate of profit theory, and was banned from the summer school because of it!

http://69.195.124.91/~brucieba/

I'm kind of feeling sympathetic to the SP leadership on this one tbh as the guy seems a bit of a loon. There are serious issues about democracy in the party though (which is a big reason why I left).
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Bruce is a long time CWI member and whilst he's always had a rather nuanced approach to life he's not a loon imho. The habit of some in the CWI to refer to their detractors as 'loons' etc seems to have rubbed off on you froggie.

Matt Dobson however is a bit of an odd character....
 
Fedayn said:
Bruce is a long time CWI member and whilst he's always had a rather nuanced approach to life he's not a loon imho. The habit of some in the CWI to refer to their detractors as 'loons' etc seems to have rubbed off on you froggie.

Matt Dobson however is a bit of an odd character....
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Oh ok fair enough I haven't read enough of the blog to have been following the dispute in much depth. He does have a point with some of the things he's talking about (banning him from the summer school is a bit out of order) but he seemed a bit obsessive about that one issue at first glance. I'll need to have a proper look.
 
‘’We know you have been in contact with ‘’enemies’’ of the CWI like Mick Brooks ( I contacted him to buy his book) and Andrew Kliman (who is to be a honoured guest at Socialism 2013) who is a state capitalist etc. etc. etc.’’ he just went on and on. Didn’t he realise that there were members of the youth present who probably didn’t know who Mick was and one comrade was looking very uneasy and I’m not surprised given Matt’s ”tone” (monotonous, flat and devoid of any emotion). He certainly wasn’t smiling and had a dead pan expression a bit like an overworked probation officer. Funny as he is usually more expressive and does have a sense of humour.

this bit is lol though
 
frogwoman said:
Anyone been following this btw? Someone's got a minor axe to grind with the SP on the falling rate of profit theory, and was banned from the summer school because of it!
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That's slightly bizarre. Particularly when, according the always unreliable Weekly Worker, they've published his letters repeatedly, haven't told him to take down his blog, and have agreed to publish a longer debate with him and hold a face to face one at a members meeting. Dunno why they would then have a problem with him arguing his views in Belgium.

Although, having just looked at his blog and the rather personal remarks he makes in public about other members, I can see how he might have aggravated people. Maybe they just don't want to spend a week drinking with him.
 
I really hope this sort of thing doesn't become common in LU, 'angels dancing on pinheads', already they are getting the 'reform vs revolution' tired arguments over and over again, as if we are anywhere near a revolutionary situation, its for hobbyists, imo,
 
Nigel Irritable said:
That's slightly bizarre. Particularly when, according the always unreliable Weekly Worker, they've published his letters repeatedly, haven't told him to take down his blog, and have agreed to publish a longer debate with him and hold a face to face one at a members meeting. Dunno why they would then have a problem with him arguing his views in Belgium.

Although, having just looked at his blog and the rather personal remarks he makes in public about other members, I can see how he might have aggravated people.
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yeah, i'm staying well out of this one i think. the personal remarks is why i thought he was a bit nuts initially ...
 
treelover said:
I really hope this sort of thing doesn't become common in LU, 'angels dancing on pinheads', already they are getting the 'reform vs revolution' tired arguments over and over again, as if we are anywhere near a revolutionary situation, its for hobbyists, imo,
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Debates of this kind aren't particularly common in the SP either, but I don't think that there's any problem in having them. In fact, they serve a useful purpose as long as involvement in them is voluntary and enthusiasts for them don't keep going on and on about them at inappropriate times. Understanding what causes capitalist crises is actually an important issue for socialists.
 
good on the SP/CWI for trying to kick the LTRPF obsession into touch. that must be the single biggest cause of 'revolutionary' delusions amongst socialists. all for open debate but that guy looks like he could derail any discussion within seconds! (I think Kliman & his buddies aren't entirely wrong, but the bits they're right on are a bit useless as far as political action is concerned)
 
In what way is it abstract? It's basic IMO. What do we want? Can we get what we want in the current system? If not why not? And what do we do about it?
 
Social Workers' Holy See See said:
More importantly, it will further discredit the image of Marxist organisations in the eyes of advanced workers.
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I asked a few advanced workers what they thought of the whole sorry tale. "Who?" asked one. "What?" asked another. A third just furrowed his brow for a moment, shook his head briefly and then changed the subject. None seemed to care. Tsk. I may have to demote them to the backward workers class.
 
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