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past caring said:
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Crime rates and open manifestations of poverty decreased dramatically during the first years of his administration but this apparent success was obtained to the expense of civil liberties and freedom of speech.[clarification needed], including the beatings of delinquents and prostitutes, deportation of foreigners with low incomes, handouts of money to homeless people in exchange for leaving town, etc. The subsequent apparent improvement in the lifestyle of a segment of the population was cited as a main reason for his re-elections.[
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Little bit of communism there
 
ResistanceMP3 said:
408 pages. This parrot is dead, time to move on? What now, after the SWP?
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The historical crisis of mankind is reduced to the crisis of the revolutionary leadership. The crisis of revolutionary leadership is reduced to squabbles among a hopeless bunch of Islamophiles about how to respond to allegations of rape. Squabbles among a hopeless bunch of Islamophiles are reduced to a series of exchanges on blogs and bulletin boards read by hardly anyone. So either:
- posts on obscure blogs will change the world or, much more likely...
- Brit Trottery, a footnote to international Trottery, is done and dusted, and serves simply as a reminder that international Trottery is an abject failure. There's no 'after the SWP'. There's no New Social Workers, New Trottery...
 
BK Double Stack said:
SMC is "the worst" as we say in the US. One of the worst things anyone in the CWI has ever done.
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it just comes across as self congratulatory bullshit. "Ho ho lets have Peter Taaffe because only the CWI can be the real defenders of Marxism". I was until recently a member of the SP, and I still have a bit of time for the politics, I think the CWI are one of the few trotskyist groups to have actually achieved something during their 60+ years of being in existence, they are certainly the trotskyist group with the best position on many issues for example the Lindsey oil refinery strike and so on, many CWI members have put themselves at huge personal risk to defend workers' rights, been jailed, etc, and many of the people but lets be honest being a member of a tiny group of no more than 100,000 people worldwide, in a country where you aren't going to go to prison for even thinking about going on strike and probably not being involved in a lot of the good things the CWI have done, and thinking that makes you the "defenders of marxism" isn't exactly something to shout about. it is to their credit that the majority of SP members don't have such arrogance even though I don't agree with all of their politics any more. The defenders of marxism, defended against what? Centrism, ultra-leftism and reformism? Tony cliff's state capitalism theory? come the fuck on.

Just arrogant bollocks. And I know for a fact that this is in no way a reflection of the majority of members of the CWI, it just seems like a load of arrogant students. A lot of whom are going to leave in a year or two anyway.

Sorry, Im really grumpy today and probably reading way too much into this, and I still have some time for the CWI and many of the people in it. I hope what I've written doesn't come across as too harsh.
 
frogwoman said:
it just comes across as self congratulatory bullshit. "Ho ho lets have Peter Taaffe because only the CWI can be the real defenders of Marxism". I was until recently a member of the SP, and I still have a bit of time for the politics, I think the CWI are one of the few trotskyist groups to have actually achieved something during their 60+ years of being in existence, they are certainly the trotskyist group with the best position on many issues for example the Lindsey oil refinery strike and so on, many CWI members have put themselves at huge personal risk to defend workers' rights, been jailed, etc, and many of the people but lets be honest being a member of a tiny group of no more than 100,000 people worldwide, in a country where you aren't going to go to prison for even thinking about going on strike and probably not being involved in a lot of the good things the CWI have done, and thinking that makes you the "defenders of marxism" isn't exactly something to shout about. it is to their credit that the majority of SP members don't have such arrogance even though I don't agree with all of their politics any more. The defenders of marxism, defended against what? Centrism, ultra-leftism and reformism? Tony cliff's state capitalism theory? come the fuck on.

Just arrogant bollocks. And I know for a fact that this is in no way a reflection of the majority of members of the CWI, it just seems like a load of arrogant students. A lot of whom are going to leave in a year or two anyway.

Sorry, Im really grumpy today and probably reading way too much into this, and I still have some time for the CWI and many of the people in it. I hope what I've written doesn't come across as too harsh.
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Even with all that taken into consideration the smc's crimes against humour are far more serious. Has anything that's actually funny ever appeared on there?
 
The only thing I ever chuckled at was the Lenin book meme that said "What to do When a Comrade is Being a Dumbfuck in Public". This thread deserves to die, but the fact that RMP3 pointed it out first just means we should all post more.
 
On SMC I thought the picture of the full English breakfast as a representation of a SP run café was the best piss take of the SP I've ever seen!

My take on it is it's a harmless bit of fun by a few young comrades. I know the two CWI admins also get their hands dirty in real world activism as well so I'm prepared to give them a pass on some of the sillier and/or unfunny stuff that goes on there.
 
The39thStep said:
I would have no hesitation in dropping Peter Taafe to be honest , tends to play only well with players from the same club, no real pace or sense of positioning and lets face it footballing tactics have moved on from 1830s Third period Trotskyism . I'd bring in Big Bill Hayward.
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In fairness, given Taaffe's unerring ability to be on the winning side during lunchtime matches on Victoria Park (when the centre was in Hepscott Road), i'd be slightly more reticent to drop him....
 
leyton96 said:
On SMC I thought the picture of the full English breakfast as a representation of a SP run café was the best piss take of the SP I've ever seen!

My take on it is it's a harmless bit of fun by a few young comrades. I know the two CWI admins also get their hands dirty in real world activism as well so I'm prepared to give them a pass on some of the sillier and/or unfunny stuff that goes on there.
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Fair enough. Not having the best time IRL at the moment so being a bit grumpy.
 
Fedayn said:
In fairness, given Taaffe's unerring ability to be on the winning side during lunchtime matches on Victoria Park (when the centre was in Hepscott Road), i'd be slightly more reticent to drop him....
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We could bring him on for the last ten minutes and play the long ball game for big bill to knock it on to him
 
A page on Facebook?

As Trotsky Himself said in the Tranny Programme, "The historical crisis of mankind is reduced to the crisis of revolutionary gibberings on a half-arsed page on a social networking website."
 
dominion said:
Meanwhile back in SWPland...

http://howiescorner.blogspot.co.uk/2013/06/now-socialist-workers-party-gives-us.html
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Meanwhile Howard Fuller, for that is Howies Corners real name, likes to ignore the fact that his own Zionist fanaticism and defence of Israel, against the Palestinians is shared by the self same Griffin..... Howard should stick to what he is good at, losing national elections in PCS and hanging round with halitosis ridden gossips in the Old Shit bar during conference...
 
BK Double Stack said:
The only thing I ever chuckled at was the Lenin book meme that said "What to do When a Comrade is Being a Dumbfuck in Public". This thread deserves to die, but the fact that RMP3 pointed it out first just means we should all post more.
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obsessed! :D

btw, hope so. the more they go for it here, the less they spend in public. :eek:
 
JHE said:
The historical crisis of mankind is reduced to the crisis of the revolutionary leadership. The crisis of revolutionary leadership is reduced to squabbles among a hopeless bunch of Islamophiles about how to respond to allegations of rape. Squabbles among a hopeless bunch of Islamophiles are reduced to a series of exchanges on blogs and bulletin boards read by hardly anyone. So either:
- posts on obscure blogs will change the world or, much more likely...
- Brit Trottery, a footnote to international Trottery, is done and dusted, and serves simply as a reminder that international Trottery is an abject failure. There's no 'after the SWP'. There's no New Social Workers, New Trottery...
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that wasn't the real question. The question was WHAT now? What, could be anything anarchism, communism, reformism, or a thousand and one other things, [now the SWP is no longer an excuse].
 
muscovyduck said:
It's easier to remember than... I've forgotten his name. Besides, it makes it more impersonal. I worry that if we start calling people by their actual names then the identity of the victim might also end up out in the open.
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Unfortunately her name is out on the web...don't know how or why ... sadly I can not image she was asked before it was put out there
 
frogwoman said:
am i the only one to find "socialist meme caucus" a bit annoying?
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I've contributed to it in the past, however I have unliked it as of today (might have a change of heart later on) when they started attributing fake quotes to various celebrities - not the first time it's gotten a little tedious to be fair.
 
comrade spurski said:
Unfortunately her name is out on the web...don't know how or why ... sadly I can not image she was asked before it was put out there
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Just because the information is out there, we shouldn't make it easier for anyone to find it.

I know we all know this already but I think it's a mentality we need to stick with in other situations and encourage others to do the same.
 
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