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The majority doesnt have to yield anything under these circumstances, which is the fallacy I saw behind a lot of IDOOPs thinking. Primarily the exit letter from Seymour states this. They expected some ground to be given away, because of the level opposition, but that was never going to be the case was it?
 
Yeah the 80s were hard for a lot of people, but they were great days too. The quality of the membership of the SWP was gold standard back then. So many comrades I remember were as hard as nails - they had this gut reaction to things. By the 1990s most of them had dropped out and the cult quality was creeping in - I remember someone telling me that 'if you get chosen to work fulltime for the party its an incredible honour' without the slightest whiff of irony. In previous times, comrades would have laughed like drains at such hack nonsense. A healthy disrespect for the fulltimers was par for the course - you really had to earn your stripes and there was none of this 'leading comrade' crap. Lenin didn't do or say much that was useful, but one quote of his worth repeating is that in the revolutionary party 'there is no rank and file.'
Absolutely. It always bemuses me when other lefties say the SWP had a dreadful tradition of theory within the party, with nothing read bar [arty material. Far far from it from my experience of the eighties especially. We were encouraged to read anything and everything - barring other lefty papers. Certainly all the Marxist classics (or the trot version of Marxist classics at least), other left critics, I even read Mandel at some point. Because it was, in large part, quite good. And you had to argue back, cos, as Cliff put it, the branches had to be prepared for the day the CC was all arrested and locked up. The branches had to be able to anaylse and lead themselves, not rely on the centre to do their thinking for them.

And arguing with/taking the piss out of Millies could be fun.

Happy days.
 
You know he wrote a book called "Why I left the SWP", don't you?
It was called What's Going On?

"In 2007 he left the SWP and justified his decision in his book What's Going On? In the book he wrote that he left the party because whilst the membership base had become smaller and smaller, the members that remained became increasingly deluded regarding the size and relevance of the organisation. He also condemned the manner in which, at a time when there was broad public support for socialist ideals, increasingly bitter and futile in-fighting on the left made political success impossible. Alex Callinicos, International Secretary of the SWP, reviewed the book in the Socialist Review, arguing that it "evinces a kind of grandiose ignorance" and that "the only principle one can detect here is that the SWP is always in the wrong".[7] Literary critic Nicholas Lezard praised the book in The Guardian, particularly for its discussion of the break-up of Steel's relationship, which "gives it a poignancy and depth which at its outset one might not have expected".[8]"
 
We were encouraged to read anything and everything - barring other lefty papers (...) And you had to argue back, cos, as Cliff put it, the branches had to be prepared for the day the CC was all arrested and locked up. The branches had to be able to anaylse and lead themselves, not rely on the centre to do their thinking for them.

And arguing with/taking the piss out of Millies could be fun.

Happy days.

Party comrades in the 80s used to wipe the floor with everyone else from all the other marxist groups whenever there were discussions. I remember one organisation called 'Proletarian' turning up at Marxism in the late 1980s and they were just chewed up and spat out theoretically by my mates, who were just ordinary SWP members, but their theoretical range and knowledge was awesome. No disrespect to Militant/SP people, but it was the same with them too back in the day. They couldn't hold a candle to the rank and file SWP members in terms of theory (although respect where respect is due - Militant were always in the frontline at Wapping and at other hardcore events of the era. They had genuine roots and respect in the working class. They could genuinely relate to working class people.) This theoretical cutting edge lead to hubris in the SWP and developed a very suspect culture and attitude in the party in the longer run. Without the old guard to temper this crap, it all went Pete Tong by the 1990s. Before you knew it, a whole modus operandi, style of delivery, and outlook took over the party. It had to in a way, because it was a case of battening down the hatches and getting on with the grind. Then neo-liberalism literally ripped up and tore apart the traditional working class and the party didn't have a clue about how to cope with this. It still doesn't, so you get all this Third Worldism/Orientalist crap, which Seymour is going to take with him into whatever new organisation he and China brew up.
 
We need a proper Marxist humanist party again, minus the Leninist crap. Such a party can't be conjured out of thin air, the times themselves create the people who make it happen.

The times themselves perhaps create at least the opportunities for radical change (not though always the opportunities for the desirable sort of radical change, witness the successful rise of fascism not revolutionery socialism in 1920's Italy and 1930's Germany as just two examples of this caveat). In hindsight , despite the radical Left trumpeting the imminent crisis of capitalism quite regularly since 1945, we were simply profoundly wrong for that entire period- even in the impressively militancy-filled early to mid 70's when I had most fun as a Leftie expecting a revolutionery breakthrough imminently. So actually expecting the "revolutionery" Left in most of that postwar period, in the UK anyway, to be anything but prone to endless infighting, cultism, posturing, self-deluding fantasy, and domination by semi-religious "holders and interpreters of the true faith and scriptures" was actually a tall order. Fast forward to NOW though and capitalism actually IS in world wide systemic crisis, and the Left has all but disappeared up its own over-analysed arse.

Like you though, Sean Delaney, my inspiring, uplifting experience of the rising tide of industrial militancy in the 70's (as an IS/SWP member), and my anti fascist experiences of the same period does indeed suggest that with the right, flexible approach from the Left "the real militants, rather than lifestyle posers, do indeed appear as if from nowhere and join the struggle. Gawd, I remember the IS fronted Rank and File Movement was actually bloody impressive for a year or so in the mid 70's - real workers, real militants, and an actual impact in workplace struggle all over the UK - until Wilson managed to demobilise it all. I hope that eventually the hardest of times since the 1930's which are fast approaching will indeed force workers who have never before been politically active into struggle, as so many briefly were in the 70's and even early 80's. Can't see the believable political "vehicle" yet to mobilise this struggle in a coherent way I have to admit.

If it is eventually built, no doubt during very hard times indeed, in competition with a rising fascist tide, like you I hope that the worship of Lenin, Trotsky, and all their works are mostly relegated to the view that , " they were dedicated revolutioneries, but weren't all-knowing sages at all, just revolutioneries who decided to wing it via an opportunistic power grab coup on a (then very non-orthodox Marxist ) hunch in 1917, achieving briefly a revolution that was actually pretty quickly LOST , not won". Because that's what Stalinism represents, the utter DEFEAT of the 1917 revolution. Lenin in fact was profoundly, world historically disastrously WRONG to think that the German working class would arrive in time to save the wing and a prayer 1917 Workers and Peasants State from collapsing into reaction. Not much of an all-knowing sage then, whose every word needs to be memorised and spouted to the faithful as a guide to action NOW, and forever !" And that's just the Trots ! The lightly concealed Stalinist apologists constantly writing favourably about the past and present "socialist" states (ie stalinist dictatorships) on blogs like "Socialist Unity" should remind us that there are plenty of politicos about claiming to be "on the Left" far more sinister in political intent than the petty bureaucratic posers of the dying SWP.
 
Because in the 80s, there wasn't the pretence that it was all brilliant despite our experiences as members.

Actually, the early 90s isn't the period he's referring - it's the early 2000s I think (he says it might have started in the 1990s). I think the issue was that we should have carried on growing in the late 90s if the analysis of the period was correct, so rather than say "why aren't we growing" the paper was filled every week with how much we were. It was only after 3 years of growth (when I was at LSE) that I started to question why we were still claiming 10000 members - the same as at the start. Even when our branch wasn't getting significantly bigger, I remember being desperate to work out how Glasgow, West London, Sheffield, Liverpool or Newcastle were doing it.

I like Steel's article as it summarises how I feel about this whole ugly mess. I also think he has pointed at why he left (though I don't know what the straw that broke the back was I suspect RESPECT/ Galloway/ etc) in his pointing to the late 90s onwards. He was always the type to question the leadership or ignore stuff he didn't want to trumpet to be fair, and drifted away several times if I remember correctly - but didn't we all.
Ok that makes sense, why the 90's or the 2000's and not the 80's. Inflated expectations and not very honest accounting would be enough to drive a lot of sane people away. And I can see how emotionally this article appeals to a lot of ex members. But it still doesn't quite work as an analysis of why the regime became so top down if that's what actually happened. If the 80's were marked by a well read, confident membership that had a healthy disrespect for the leadership what happened to change that? This matters cause if Mark and others are saying that the regime is now beyond reform then what caused that? Rees being a controlling bastard doesn't strike me as an explanation so much as a statement of what happened. The point being why was he able to behave like that? Cause to be honest I'm not sure I buy this golden era of the 80's malarkey. I know people aren't saying the objective situation outside the party was golden but there does seem to be a nostalgia for the regime which was allegedly more open. Really? A higher percentage of the membership understood more of the politics for sure and being hyper active wasn't enough to get you places in the org, you had to sound like you had a clue about Marxism too. But this was still a party that prided itself on the leaderships willingness and ability to argue with and at times cajole the membership. In fact I remember at an International meeting of the IST leaderships in 88 or 89 (can't remember exactly but it was the only one I ever attended) Cliff berating us in the Irish org for not having the balls to openly attack the left republican and feminist ideas prevalent in our membership. The 80's for the SWP was all about hardening the arguments and not caring who you fucked off inside or outside the party. Arguably the splits of the last few years have less to do with regime and more to do with unsuccessful engagements with the movements that have been thrown up and in which the party has so energetically intervened. In one case the people leading the intervention in those movements (Rees and German) went native (forgetting much of the politics in the process) and in this most recent crisis a section of the membership who had been recruited from the movement but not sufficiently argued with and convinced of the politics by the old lags, eventually found an issue to hang their opposition to old fashioned Leninist ideas on and they are now walking out behind RS who would have been eaten alive by the hard marxists of the 80's party. Personally then I don't blame it all on regime (which I'm not convinced changes that much in the SWP from about 79) but more on how the party has dealt with opening up to the broader movement in a period where the class struggle just hasn't matched the more political struggles that have developed.

Freely admit though I never read Mark's book as I expected it would make me feel less fond of someone I really liked and I didn't want that!
 
Ok that makes sense, why the 90's or the 2000's and not the 80's. Inflated expectations and not very honest accounting would be enough to drive a lot of sane people away. And I can see how emotionally this article appeals to a lot of ex members. But it still doesn't quite work as an analysis of why the regime became so top down if that's what actually happened. If the 80's were marked by a well read, confident membership that had a healthy disrespect for the leadership what happened to change that? This matters cause if Mark and others are saying that the regime is now beyond reform then what caused that? Rees being a controlling bastard doesn't strike me as an explanation so much as a statement of what happened. The point being why was he able to behave like that? Cause to be honest I'm not sure I buy this golden era of the 80's malarkey. I know people aren't saying the objective situation outside the party was golden but there does seem to be a nostalgia for the regime which was allegedly more open. Really? A higher percentage of the membership understood more of the politics for sure and being hyper active wasn't enough to get you places in the org, you had to sound like you had a clue about Marxism too. But this was still a party that prided itself on the leaderships willingness and ability to argue with and at times cajole the membership. In fact I remember at an International meeting of the IST leaderships in 88 or 89 (can't remember exactly but it was the only one I ever attended) Cliff berating us in the Irish org for not having the balls to openly attack the left republican and feminist ideas prevalent in our membership. The 80's for the SWP was all about hardening the arguments and not caring who you fucked off inside or outside the party. Arguably the splits of the last few years have less to do with regime and more to do with unsuccessful engagements with the movements that have been thrown up and in which the party has so energetically intervened. In one case the people leading the intervention in those movements went native (forgetting much of the politics in the process) and in this most recent crisis a section of the membership who had been recruited from the movement but not sufficiently argued with and convinced of the politics by the old lags, eventually found an issue to hang their opposition to old fashioned Leninist ideas on and they are now walking. Personally I don't blame it all on regime (which I'm not convinced changes that much in the SWP from about 79) but more on how the party has dealt with opening up to the broader movement in a period where the class struggle just hasn't matched the more political struggles that have developed.

Freely admit though I never read Mark's book as I expected it would make me feel less fond of someone I really liked and I didn't want that!

I don't have experience of the 80s. Mark wasn't the hardest member, I admit that. But then neither was I really - you'd have done more flyposting if I was! So I find it hard to comment. However, the key difference might be Cliff. I remember him saying that he'd become more centralist as he got older, and to be fair (though those reading this who have always been critical of Cliff won't agree) that's fine to a point when it's Cliff. It's not so fine when it's Rees and Bambery, and less so when it's Joe Cardwell - who I actually had a lot of respect for.

But all of what you write isn't really disagreeing with Mark saying "it might be because...." - you seem to be annoyed because he doesn't have a complete analysis of what went wrong. I don't actually think he should or can have - he's just saying what it's like from his perspective. It's not dissimilar from mine.

The first point at which I thought the leadership might be wrong as a member was when MM (who was my partner at the time) went back to America in 1998 and found out from the American organisation that there was some difference (problems, she said) between the ISO and the SWP. She said she didn't want to spread rumours if I hadn't heard it but they were having branch meetings over there (and some SWP CC were invited to speak and did). I remember she and I agreed that we'd probably see it debated in the ISJ. It never was, and this seemed utterly wrong. The ISO told their membership - we were presented with one side when the ISO were expelled.

I don't know what happened, but I do think the SWP is over. There is no-one on the left who doesn't know about this. I can find no-one on the left who isn't angry about it (maybe except you) so even those who join demonstrations or are pulled by the SWP will hear about it early on. They're only going to decline now.

I do think that's tragic for the SWP I knew. It's not tragic for an SWP that tries to deal with this crisis in the way that Steel describes.
 
Yeah the 80s were hard for a lot of people, but they were great days too. The quality of the membership of the SWP was gold standard back then. So many comrades I remember were as hard as nails - they had this gut reaction to things. By the 1990s most of them had dropped out and the cult quality was creeping in - I remember someone telling me that 'if you get chosen to work fulltime for the party its an incredible honour' without the slightest whiff of irony. In previous times, comrades would have laughed like drains at such hack nonsense. A healthy disrespect for the fulltimers was par for the course - you really had to earn your stripes and there was none of this 'leading comrade' crap. Lenin didn't do or say much that was useful, but one quote of his worth repeating is that in the revolutionary party 'there is no rank and file.'

I remember being on the Marxism Team in 1997 and arriving late on one of the weekdays having been hungover. YP (still a member) pulled me to oneside and said that Bambery had told him to see if I was organiser material. Arriving half an hour late meant that he thought I looked bad.

I was actually gutted. WTF?
 
It was called What's Going On?

"In 2007 he left the SWP and justified his decision in his book What's Going On? In the book he wrote that he left the party because whilst the membership base had become smaller and smaller, the members that remained became increasingly deluded regarding the size and relevance of the organisation. He also condemned the manner in which, at a time when there was broad public support for socialist ideals, increasingly bitter and futile in-fighting on the left made political success impossible. Alex Callinicos, International Secretary of the SWP, reviewed the book in the Socialist Review, arguing that it "evinces a kind of grandiose ignorance" and that "the only principle one can detect here is that the SWP is always in the wrong".[7] Literary critic Nicholas Lezard praised the book in The Guardian, particularly for its discussion of the break-up of Steel's relationship, which "gives it a poignancy and depth which at its outset one might not have expected".[8]"

My partner has really got into Steel's books recently from following him on twitter, and she was the one who told me he was no longer with BM. She was in my branch, and though they were polar opposites, I was more sad to hear of them breaking up than him leaving the SWP.
 
http://www.spiked-online.com/site/article/13442/
I like this summary was a member for 2 years back in 79-81 in Guildford - it was run by a sociology lecturer at Surrey University - his female partner ran the Women's Voice group separately (there were 3 members I seem to recall and refused to join in with the all male claque) - we all brought drink to the meeting at his flat and retired to the pub afterwards - not sure we achieved much except for getting fired up for rucks on street demos - oh and Rock Against Racism gigs and ANL - great logos and very popular at the time. Happy days indeed.
 
What's worse? Roman Catholic CC or SWP CC? There's a rizla paper in it I reckon
A Jesuit Pope at last! Now we're talking. No messing about with those boys. I know I'm just giving ammunition to the enemy here but old Ignatius Loyola could teach a party hack a thing or two: " if [the Church] shall have defined anything to be black which to our eyes appears to be white, we ought in like manner to pronounce it to be black."
 
http://www.spiked-online.com/site/article/13442/
I like this summary was a member for 2 years back in 79-81 in Guildford - it was run by a sociology lecturer at Surrey University - his female partner ran the Women's Voice group separately (there were 3 members I seem to recall and refused to join in with the all male claque) - we all brought drink to the meeting at his flat and retired to the pub afterwards - not sure we achieved much except for getting fired up for rucks on street demos - oh and Rock Against Racism gigs and ANL - great logos and very popular at the time. Happy days indeed.

Brendan O’Neill is a 'libertarian' misogynist psychopath. Him and the SWP CC belong together.
 
But all of what you write isn't really disagreeing with Mark saying "it might be because...." - you seem to be annoyed because he doesn't have a complete analysis of what went wrong. I don't actually think he should or can have - he's just saying what it's like from his perspective. It's not dissimilar from mine.
I am angry with him for it though. Fine, we all have a personal perspective and personal reasons for leaving or not rejoining (in my case it's to avoid divorce!) but if you're going to make very grandiose claims about the possible future of the left and the failure of the SWP, as Mark does, then you have a duty to explain why things happened the way they did. Otherwise you can't be sure the mistakes won't be repeated. Impressionistic broad brush stroke remarks from on high (as the prof rightly accused him of in his review of the book) just won't do :-(
 
No, I don't agree. I think he's writing personally. He makes claims about his experience (which are clearly true) but makes it very clear (to me) he's not really sure why the SWP has declined in general - "it might be" being a pointer. I don't think he expects anyone to read his article (I have not read his book but I wouldn't be surprised) as a complete analysis of what is wrong with the SWP. As I've said, he was never the most highly politicised member so that's not a surprise.

I think the one of the most telling things about his piece is after nearly 30 years of being a member he simply does not seem arsed about whether they survive or not.
 
The expulsions,and some resignations around squadism took place over a number of months.even then there was still some tolerance to those who sided and supported those who left. in Harlesden branch for example a number if us were still engaged with attacks on the fash , sometimes with those who had been expelled, sometimes without for a few years after.We even set up a branch meeting to invite Mick O'F to speak after his expulsion. ( Holborrow invited himself to the branch committee to change the meeting)

The 80s were tough and on one hand although the downturn period enabled a higher level of political education it also led to a ridiculous initial line on the miners strike which was summed up by a contribution from some hack at a national committee that the miners strike shouldn't interfere with the routine of paper sales. There was then the completely ' revolutionary' but abstract money collected for the miners should only be used for picketing not passive food collections. whilst no admirer of Militant , I thought we were sectarian in London for not really putting any effort into supporting Liverpool city council. The ' blood on the carpets' period in which everyone flexed their muscles over being politically hard internally did my head in although it must be said that it led to recruitment especially from the labour left.
 
... But he and I were members during the much harsher 'downturn' 80's and none of these splits or crises happened. Why that?

There was a more sober and realistic assessment of the period activists found themselves in and education was prioritised. It all started to go wrong at the time the CPGB began to dissolve and delusions about the SWP becoming hegemonic on the left, replacing the Communist party, began to be promoted. 'With the CP out of the way it's now between us and the Labour party' the ISJ announced. All illusory and unsustainable.

Edit: Yeah, the miners. I was opposed to the line the party initially took on the miners strike and to be fair me and another argued in the local branch, as others argued too in branches nationally and it was changed. A reason for expulsion in later times probably, or no one daring to question more likely.
 
Unfortunately he was joking. He did however make the more serious claim that there has been another round of resignations tonight after the first set of post conference branch meetings.

He made that announcement like it was news. I suspect he knows that was always going to happen. He probably got one or two phone calls.
 
Had a conversation with a, by his own words, "Straight IDOOPer". He said he's staying because he believes there is a "substantial middle ground to be won". He hinted that he'd leave if he thought the fight was over. Bolshie, I'll pm you his id
 
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