bolshiebhoy
socialism leinster drink
No sorry, it's only now after reading it three times that I've managed to put it together. So the committee didn't rule on the rape accusation in this case, not clear why though?
SWP expulsions and squabbles
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butchersapron
Bring back hanging
Point 7) is pretty clearly the suggestion in the article and that the woman is making.
sihhi
Tyranny, like hell, is not easily conquered
*Well, the party gave him a recommended reading list, that's not turning a blind eye.*
Farce.
Edited: due to conflation of two separate rapes.
sihhi
Tyranny, like hell, is not easily conquered
You are absolutely right kavenism. It reinforces it all.
"During the hearing two other women made allegations against the senior figure including attempted rape and sexual impropriety. She says she was called back that afternoon and told the verdict. The committee did not rule on the truth of the rape allegation, she said. She claims she was told the alleged rapist was going to be suspended and encouraged to read up on women's liberation. She then says she was warned against speaking about the hearing. "They said, if you go around calling him a rapist, you'll be in trouble. If you tell anyone, you'll be in trouble … They didn't elaborate. They're not the kind of people to get on the wrong side of."
It's sickening as is Hedley's behaviour.
bolshiebhoy
socialism leinster drink
Indeed. Though the latest piece doesn't help with peoples confusion.
sihhi
Tyranny, like hell, is not easily conquered
Yes it is, I got passed the link by email saying more information about the earlier case so I read it all as if it was all about him, sorry to all.
Re-reading carefully - not a well written piece - It is worse than I feared. It bears all the hallmarks of the transcript case, however.
Farce: "She claims she was told the alleged rapist was going to be suspended and encouraged to read up on women's liberation"
If there is rape, time off for some encouraged reading. Farce.
belboid
Exasperated, not angry.
Assuming that is true, stinks of bullshit to me. Umpteen bits do not read true. And it's just badly written, too.
kavenism
Progressive misanthrope
Yeah the way it's written isn't great.
sihhi
Tyranny, like hell, is not easily conquered
It is poorly written but this is confusing and/or damning:
"But participants in the disputes committee hearing described the line of questioning as "disgusting" and described the suspension as a travesty. "The fact that he got basically a slap on the wrist was just appalling.""
Who are these participants in the DC? The only judges mentioned are Pat Stack and Amy Leather.
Before Theory
Active Member
Yes, this is a different case but utilising the same method of dealing with complaints against party leaders.
Cohen has been hamstrung by the Guardian lawyers, but everyone in Sheffield knows about the case, and yes apology boy, two other young people did witness the physical assault of this women, and yes they did not intervene. The man in question is 6'3/6'4 and a scary fucker when he's angry.
He then went off to work in the SWP national office, so obviously they thought he was worth promoting.
Cohen has been hamstrung by the Guardian lawyers, but everyone in Sheffield knows about the case, and yes apology boy, two other young people did witness the physical assault of this women, and yes they did not intervene. The man in question is 6'3/6'4 and a scary fucker when he's angry.
He then went off to work in the SWP national office, so obviously they thought he was worth promoting.
sihhi
Tyranny, like hell, is not easily conquered
Cheers BT.
Jean-Luc
Well-Known Member
I can. It is not within the remit of a trade union or a political party to try to control or judge the behaviour of their members outside the purpose of the organisation. That would have totalitarian implications. People join a trade union to get higher wages, etc. People join a political party to achieve some political objective. It's only a part of their life. What they do outside this in their private life is not a matter for these organisations. It may be a matter for the law or moral condemnation (and obviously the allegations that have been made are) but not for a trade union or a political party (or a gardening club or whatever or, for that matter, a church) to deal with. The mess that the SWP has got itself into (and which the RMT and SPEW can avoid) is a result of acceptance of the flawed doctrine that "the personal is political". No, it isn't. The personal is personal and the political is political.
sihhi
Tyranny, like hell, is not easily conquered
Can anyone supply details of the reading list given for a rapist-assaulter?
Will it be completely the SWP's own literature?
What kind of messages will this kind of reading give to SWP class-conscious Marxist male members who have also committed rape?
Will it be completely the SWP's own literature?
What kind of messages will this kind of reading give to SWP class-conscious Marxist male members who have also committed rape?
Bollocks.
bolshiebhoy
socialism leinster drink
If there was a physical assault and they didn't intervene verbally or physically then they are gutless wonders. I have no idea who we're talking about or what exactly happened and it's a bit difficult to say more when people are telling parts of a story.
sihhi
Tyranny, like hell, is not easily conquered
I hope never to join your kind of political party, would urge any female relatives and associates I knew to steer clear of it too.
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
Wow. Please, please don't bother regaling us with the horrible things that SPGB members have got up to that members voted not to expel them for - i can see you polishing up your badges on this score already. Clueless, clueless and dangerous.
(of course, being 'undemocratic' is an expellable offence)
sihhi
Tyranny, like hell, is not easily conquered
I like this inclusion - the Catholic hierarchy had no duty over its rapist and assaultive priests, the personal is personal - the twelve-year old victims should have gone to the police.
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
Of course, both of these organisations reject such a crude approach - so you are just wrong from the start - whilst trying to impose that crude approach on those who have already rejected it because it is naive, dangerous and fucking stupid.
Before Theory
Active Member
One major difference between the two allegations is that they made a much better job of covering this one up.[/quote]
In this case he was suspended for two years,so while that was totally inadequate and quite laughable really, at least something was "seen to be done".
Delta stayed as prominent as ever and infact ended up gaining control of the industrial department as well as anti fascist work.
Also, in the Delta case the CC had briefed against Comrade W and spread a bunch of lies about her, so when the real story came out, the people who had swallowed this and given him the standing ovation of 2011 were absolutely incensed.
The rest is history.
[/QUOTE]They said, if you go around calling him a rapist, you'll be in trouble. If you tell anyone, you'll be in trouble … They didn't elaborate. They're not the kind of people to get on the wrong side of."[/QUOTE]
so, its not just the accused she was fearful of, just how do the SWP operate when they are threatened?
and who were ''they''?
so, its not just the accused she was fearful of, just how do the SWP operate when they are threatened?
and who were ''they''?
The39thStep
Urban critical thinker
Can anyone supply details of the reading list given for a rapist-assaulter?
Will it be completely the SWP's own literature?
What kind of messages will this kind of reading give to SWP class-conscious Marxist male members who have also committed rape?
You tell us Sihhi. I normally enjoy many of your posts but this one is just weird. There is nothing in this extract which is outside that of a basic marxist position whether you lke it or not.I might disagree with the SWP on a whole number of things but wouldn't stoop to your Newmanesque SWP membership =rapist drivel.
Before Theory
Active Member
You are absolutely right, the majority of people in the SWP are decent folks who want to change the world for the better. I should know, I was one of them for 10 years until the standing ovation of 2011.
However what's telling is how the leadership react to the sexist and violent behaviour of a tiny minority of their membership.
They react by trying to undermine and silence the complainants and their supporters.
That's the way the Catholic Church and the LibDems deal with complaints of sexual violence, I had come to expect better from the revolutionary party I had spent 10 years building and funding.
ViolentPanda
Hardly getting over it.
Given your recent record of unfortunately-sexist comments, that'd probably be a bit of advice that you should take to heart.
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