I was going to put a quote mentioning that name, but felt bad.
It was OK - it was pretty slow on my old machine so it was virtually unplayable for me, but I'd like to give it another go.
SWP expulsions and squabbles
- Thread starter Nigel Irritable
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I was going to put a quote mentioning that name, but felt bad.
It was OK - it was pretty slow on my old machine so it was virtually unplayable for me, but I'd like to give it another go.
leyton96
NGO's selling privilege checking solutions
Fair enough. I'll just say that Belboid may be confusing 'significant' with 'things that I agree with', an unfortunate mental tic of those coming from the IS tradition.
Idris2002
canadian girlfriend
And flirting with the Irps isn't being "awful on Ireland"?
In other news, my "It's complicated on Facebook" had a go at me the other day, "I suppose they're all defending the SWP on that awful Urban75 thing you read".
I replied thusly: "I venture to say I think not, madam, rather the reverse in fact".
I then leapt onto my personal goat and made good my escape (are we still doing the goat thing? I've been away for a few days).
Random
Ethnic nalgocrat
Sounds like she should meet up with bolshyboy's Tory in a support group
bolshiebhoy
socialism leinster drink
No belboid is right. Whether you agree with the Millies economist position on the National Question or not it certainly wasn't a significant contribution because it wasn't new. It's near as dammit identical to Rosa luxemburg's position as demolished by Lenin.
Idris2002
canadian girlfriend
No, she hates Tories.
leyton96
NGO's selling privilege checking solutions
Really? She predicted the IRA's campaign would be a complete failure almost as soon as it started? That an inability to understand conflicting national aspirations would result in greater divisions of the working class? That was perspicuous of her.
Did she write anything on horse racing I could use down the bookies?
Nigel Irritable
Five, Ten, Fifteen Years
Seriously, put a sock in it. There have been a dozens of threads dominated by set piece squabbles about the national question in Ireland here and there will be dozens more. Save it for the next one.
belboid
Exasperated, not angry.
to for evidencing my earlier point
Louis MacNeice
Autumn Journalist
Thinking that Militant weren't the sharpest tool in the box when it came to Irish politics is by no means confined to the IS tradition.
Cheers - Louis MacNeice
barney_pig
Po-cha-na-quar-hip
It is this sort of reasonableness that will get us a bad name. I have a good mind to report youi had just written a stunning retort to this outrageous nonsense. But then realised I had managed to move onto the following article, and had pulled several of my points from that.Ahem, sorry about that.
belboid
Exasperated, not angry.
DrRingDing
'anti-human wanker'
bolshiebhoy
socialism leinster drink
My Mrs don't do support groups. The social worker we were offered when our boy was born poorly was given short shrift. Working class Tory who doesn't need any help, not even mine
bolshiebhoy
socialism leinster drink
Just read the Defence of Blogging piece by China and others. They're not even trying to help themselves. Whittering on about "Bakhtinian parade of memes and parodies" when people are furious at the sheer level of vitriol directed at the organisation and it's procedures doesn't suggest they understand the stakes.
barney_pig
Po-cha-na-quar-hip
the special conference in pictures
the aim
the constituency
the opposition
the danger
the central commitee
the loyalist
the aim
the constituency
the opposition
the danger
the central commitee
the loyalist
bolshiebhoy
socialism leinster drink
So having read most of that I have to say the whole thing is very flat, most of it is bitty and tangential (though I'm sure my arguments have been a lot more hackish than most of the contributions) and even the angry pieces - from all sides - seem lacking shall we say in world historical stance taking. I'd like to think that's cause the faction arent playing fair, by refusing to talk about their differening perspectives to those of the cc (instead concentrating almost exclsuively on the procedural points) which in turn means loyalists have to aim at a submerged target. Or maybe it's just that everyone is bored with the whole thing and wants to get it over with ASAP which would be understandable. I did enjoy Talat's piece if only cause it had proper venom and made me reconsider the honest broker image of Stack. It was the only piece that made me sit up and think yes you know what there are definite ideological sides to this debate. But perhaps the mess that is the delta case is just so horrible that it's preventing that ideological schism from appearing. It will though, maybe it'll take months after the conference but it will.
J Ed
Follow Back Pro Expropriation
Ever thought about taking up a hobby? It's never too late to learn to crochet....
bolshiebhoy
socialism leinster drink
Thankfully Crysis 3 and Tomb Raider have just come out!
xslavearcx
time for a nu-metal revival?
all the negativity on this thread is what killed chavez....
JimW
支那暗杀团
If he'd earthed himself properly he'd be dancing a jig as we type.
Nigel Irritable
Five, Ten, Fifteen Years
Yes. There was very little worth reading in it from either side. And the shortness of the contributions probably had something to do with that - it renders everything slightly crude, and means that all kinds of logical jumps are made along with arguments by amalgam and caricature. It has neither the virtues of concision, due to the number of contributions, nor the virtues of fully elaborated argument.
bolshiebhoy said:
It did have more passion to it than most, but there really wasn't much to it beyond that. I did enjoy her peddling some atrocity story about unnamed "older women" in unspecified branches being told they had nothing of interest to say by unnamed younger ones in the same article that gives out yards about the alleged "innuendo, rumour, half-truths, personal attacks, point scoring and inflated egotism" in the internet commentary of the oppositionists. In fact, quite a lot of her argument is laughably disingenuous.
belboid
Exasperated, not angry.
are there two pieces? Cos the one I jsut read was dire. And I dont see what it had to do with Stack.
bolshiebhoy
socialism leinster drink
I think he was killed by the weight of Seymour's illusions in him. And yes it is a bit mean to use such a major event in Latin American politics as an excuse to pop at RS but what the fuck.
discokermit
Well-Known Member
so much venom it's an incoherent rant.
bolshiebhoy
socialism leinster drink
Oh it's terribly badly written but is full of passion and politics which made it stand out to me. The quoute about people dusting off their Women's Voice notes and haranguing is Stack's no? And if her description of the session is accurate then Stack has adapted to the feminists a lot worse than I'd thought.
edit: yeah having checked his letter it's deffo Stack she's quoting and laying into.
Nigel Irritable
Five, Ten, Fifteen Years
Yes, that was aimed at Stack. It might be argued however that the tone of her article tends to provide some implicit support for Stack's point, even while her argument attacks it. Not that I've got anything against a bit of bile, mind you.
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