SWP expulsions and squabbles

[frogwoman]

I thought the party was the class?

 

[The39thStep]

I like Stuart Lee but I would pay to see Katie Price

 

[Spanky Longhorn]

I'd love it - the face of new brave-comedy.

forever

 

[butchersapron]

And then stewart lay on the stage (this signifies exasperation and physically does what all the people on the audience would like to do people who laugh at OFAH - join the freikorps and wipe the scrounging cunts out) to let us know that he really really means it, he trigger even does the face. This is socialist comedy? I bet ayatollah loves its it but...such hate filled privilege.

 

[The39thStep]

forever

better than the AMM video

 

[sleaterkinney]

And then stewart lay on the stage (this signifies exasperation and physically does what all the people on the audience would like to do people who laugh at OFAH - join the freikorps and wipe the scrounging cunts out) to let us know that he really really means it, he trigger even does the face. This is socialist comedy? I bet ayatollah loves its it but...such hate filled privilege.

Come the revolution butchersapron, Come the revolution.

 

[Spanky Longhorn]

 

[two sheds]

Read the Transcript that its all in there

I’d say there were strong although unsuccessful attempts at a cover-up from the transcript. The woman chairing the discussion (Karen) stressed they would not discuss the detail of what happened in the hearing. A couple of times she interrupted people who were trying to say how badly X had been treated.

VIV S. ... she [W] was asked about past and subsequent sexual relationships, and she was pressured -

KAREN (interrupts): Could I ask you not to go into the detail of what was discussed, because I don’t think that’s relevant and that is one of the ground rules that we agreed. (Audience groans.) I think if we get into the details of the case – (Many audience members: Let’s hear it!) I did ask if people could not actually interrupt. We are attempting to deal with a very very serious issue, and I think it’s important that a guarantee of confidentiality was given. I think that then if we try and then hear this, hearing small elements of what took place and the detail of the content, then we’re actually moving to a different agenda to the one that we agreed. I suggest we attempt to stick to that.

...

Sadia J: She was questioned about why she went for a drink with him, her witnesses were repeatedly asked whether she’d been in a relationship with him, and you know, she was asked about (Karen begins to talk over Sadia to warn about providing details) … she was asked about relationships with other comrades including sexual relationships. All this was irrelevant to the case.

Karen chairing stresses the guarantee of confidentiality that had been given, but W had actually apparently ‘frequently’ asked to be present at the conference session but was refused by the CC.

And …

X [the second complainant] said I also want to add that I think it’s entirely disingenuous that leading members have denied that there is a second complaint. My evidence was effectively a second complaint, but because of the experience of the first case I’m unwilling to have it heard by the current disputes committee as a separate dispute. I don’t accept the account given that they’re not aware of the substance of my complaint – it’s the same as the account that I’d given in the first place.

And I think it was more than just ‘cock-up’

Sadia J: Her [W's] treatment afterwards has been worse. She feels completely betrayed. No one on the CC has ever contacted her voluntarily, not even to tell her that Comrade Delta was standing down, and she feels she’s been treated as this non-person. The disgusting lies and gossip going round about her has been really distressing and disappointing for her to hear, and the way her own witnesses have been treated in Birmingham hasn’t been much better.

Recently the complainant wanted to attend a meeting and tried to talk to a local member. He told her that it wasn’t appropriate for him to speak to her and he walked away. ... Is it right that a young woman has to plan her route to work avoiding paper-sellers, or that she comes away from a meeting crying because people refuse to speak to her? Is it right that her witnesses are questioned about their commitment to the party because they missed a branch meeting?

The person leaking the transcript said:

For all the CC’s claims that they are not engaged in a cover up, in the ‘reporting back’ session of conference we were told that branches and districts should not be told any details of this discussion – “I would urge everyone not to go into the details of any particular contribution in the report back” – apart from saying “there were some criticisms”, with confidentiality as the excuse. However, as you will see, each speaker was careful to respect confidentiality in their contribution, so circulating it is not problematic in that respect.

You say this is bringing out the pedant in you - so I'm even more surprised you don't recognise a cover-up.

Incidentally I’d wondered why he was called Comrade Delta – there had apparently been two other complaints, with Comrade Alpha and Comrade Beta (no mention of Comrade Gamma who I think must have been disappeared )

 

[The39thStep]

And then stewart lay on the stage (this signifies exasperation and physically does what all the people on the audience would like to do people who laugh at OFAH - join the freikorps and wipe the scrounging cunts out) to let us know that he really really means it, he trigger even does the face. This is socialist comedy? I bet ayatollah loves its it but...such hate filled privilege.

Personally never found OFAH very funny but never found myself wanting to wipe the scrounging cunts out.

 

[butchersapron]

better than the AMM video

This man, this is the man that they have asked to lead their assault into popular culture. The Red wedge.

 

[The39thStep]

This man, this is the man that they have asked to lead their assault into popular culture. The Red wedge.

your are sounding a bit like Stuart Lee now

 

[butchersapron]

Personally never found OFAH very funny but never found myself wanting to wipe the scrounging cunts out.

You are of them though. Eyes that cannot see.

 

[Spanky Longhorn]

Personally never found OFAH very funny but never found myself wanting to wipe the scrounging cunts out.

 

[Spanky Longhorn]

your are sounding a bit like Stuart Lee now

alright Dave?

 

[sihhi]

And then stewart lay on the stage (this signifies exasperation and physically does what all the people on the audience would like to do people who laugh at OFAH - join the freikorps and wipe the scrounging cunts out) to let us know that he really really means it, he trigger even does the face. This is socialist comedy? I bet ayatollah loves its it but...such hate filled privilege.

Have you listened to that interview? It's him complaining about twitter because someone did a celebrity sighting 'Stewart Lee has just walked into this cafe' not bothered or pestered him at all nothing more, even though he says twitter has made his life much easier because before he had to hire lawyers to sue/threaten now all he needs to do is write a rebuttal and his fans retweet-bombard it to the media.

Slightly more on topic here, the same Stewart Lee who took part in the Time Trumpet 'Rape a Celebrity Ape' with an older "Anne Robinson" and the whole 'I'd have loved to have been on it, wouldn't you, how many years did it run, I would have wanted it...'

 

[butchersapron]

Never trust a man who wore a suit when he was 18 at oxbridge - it says, i'm serious about culture and will be hectoring you shortly.

 

[The39thStep]

More of a Its always Sunny in Philadelphia man myself

 

[ViolentPanda]

Sihhi was battling to grasp an earlier version of this "wisdom" from Butchersapron in post 5581. I sympathise with his difficulty, because Butchersapron's statement is such utter bollocks that it almost defies belief .

You might have a point if it weren't ridiculously easy to break butch's post down into its' constituent parts to (very simply) see what he's saying.

"Activity produces organisation (and by activity we mean class struggle). It rarely throws up leninism. Self-replicating groups from when it might have done so, do. If, however, the class needs leninsim and this form(s) of organisation to meet its needs, then i'm sure it will find a way to express it."

Let's do some of that "breaking down" I mentioned:

1) "Activity produces organisation (and by organisation we mean class struggle" - Activity contributes to the production of a basis for organised class struggle.

2) "It rarely throws up Leninism" - Such activity has not historically caused the spontaneous creation of forms of struggle that have much of a relation to Leninism as we understand it.

3) "Self-replicating groups from when it might have done so, do" - Groups that base themselves on the verities and ideologies of yesteryear, i.e. the days when activity might have thrown up Leninism will throw up Leninism, because it's the only songbook they want to sing from.

4) "If, however, the class needs leninsim and this form(s) of organisation to meet its needs, then i'm sure it will find a way to express it." - If the class, rather than the various "leninist" parties, need Leninism, then the class will reach a Leninistic mode of working, of its' own accord, without the aid of the aforementioned self-replicating groups.

it's not fucking rocket science, you great fucking div!

 

[imposs1904]

Abba bottom of the bill? Workers' Gurner are dead to me.

 

[sihhi]

Never trust a man who wore a suit when he was 18 at oxbridge - it says, i'm serious about culture and will be hectoring you shortly.

1. He is a huge Fall fan.


2. Does he describe his own show as "the closest comedy gets to art" in this trail?

 

[The39thStep]

alright Dave?

Arnold Brown once had Jim Davidsons head in a carrier bag saying 'Alright my son'

 

[ViolentPanda]

I don't understand this.

The solution comes from the class looking for solutions, not from external organisations handing down prescriptions for how to do stuff.

 

[frogwoman]

Abba bottom of the bill? Workers' Gurner are dead to me.

Not the bottom of the bill comrade but the final and ultimate stage of the night just as communism will be the final stage of socialism. All of the previous acts, Ant, Dec, Bordiga, etc will be as nothing compared to Abba on their reunion tour singing all the old favourites, Waterloo, Gimme Gimme Gimme etc with a brand-new number about dialectical materialism.

 

[ViolentPanda]

You mean take the entire pack of tablets and down with a quart of gin

Waste of gin.

 

[butchersapron]

Have you listened to that interview? It's him complaining about twitter because someone did a celebrity sighting 'Stewart Lee has just walked into this cafe' not bothered or pestered him at all nothing more, even though he says twitter has made his life much easier because before he had to hire lawyers to sue/threaten now all he needs to do is write a rebuttal and his fans retweet-bombard it to the media.

Slightly more on topic here, the same Stewart Lee who took part in the Time Trumpet 'Rape a Celebrity Ape' with an older "Anne Robinson" and the whole 'I'd have loved to have been on it, wouldn't you, how many years did it run, I would have wanted it...'

In all honesty i haven't, but that sort of expectation of personal ownership of social space doesn't surprise me. And when he does it about the internet it's him encroaching on others.

 

[The39thStep]

Never trust a man who wore a suit when he was 18 at oxbridge - it says, i'm serious about culture and will be hectoring you shortly.

Not here to trust him but I find him funny.dare say funnier that OFAH.

 

[ViolentPanda]

leninists will say the parties - firebox counterfire and the swp and sp do this already

That's because they're twats, though.

 

[butchersapron]

1. He is a huge Fall fan.


2. Does he describe his own show as "the closest comedy gets to art" in this trail?

He described something as that - to be fair it was edited from something else so it could refer to anything (leaving aside his redundant classical idea of ART).

 

[imposs1904]

Not the bottom of the bill comrade but the final and ultimate stage of the night just as communism will be the final stage of socialism. All of the previous acts, Ant, Dec, Bordiga, etc will be as nothing compared to Abba on their reunion tour with a brand-new number about dialectical materialism.

I always thought 'Take A Chance On Me' was their take on the vanguard's relationship to the working class. I'm confused now.

 

[frogwoman]

I always thought 'Take A Chance On Me' was their take on the vanguard's relationship to the working class.

It is now.