SWP expulsions and squabbles

[butchersapron]

http://www.thebloomsbury.com/event/run/1782
"Firebox is a haven for dangerously progressive ideas in the heart of London. This is a political project initiated by Counterfire and bringing the best the left has to offer in ideas, debate, art and culture."
Anyway 25 quid a pop, plus 2.50 transaction fee.

'the best the left has to offer in... culture'

Private school and oxbridge - but he likes's the fall and this. Ok, do it at a school on sat afternoon. On your own. In fact, i'll ring your agent up tmw and see how we go. Bedroom tax starter.

 

[frogwoman]

http://www.thebloomsbury.com/event/run/1782
"Firebox is a haven for dangerously progressive ideas in the heart of London. This is a political project initiated by Counterfire and bringing the best the left has to offer in ideas, debate, art and culture."
Anyway 25 quid a pop, plus 2.50 transaction fee.

'the best the left has to offer in... culture'

The only austerity they'll be fighting is that within Firebox's cash flow chart

 

[Spanky Longhorn]

'the best the left has to offer in... culture'

Hey you know Rob Newman shagged an aquaintance of ours

 

[sihhi]

Private school and oxbridge - but he likes's the fall and this. Ok, do it at a school on sat afternoon On your own.

Actually I wouldn't mind being a fly in the wall if they ever take that comedy set to a school round here.

 

[emanymton]

A cover up of a specific situation in a wider situation of ongoing cover up does not mean that either is not a cover-up - nor what they are covering up (specific and general) are not cock-ups.

Urmmm I agree I think, that's one hell of a complicated sentence.

 

[butchersapron]

Actually I wouldn't mind being a fly in the wall if they ever take that comedy set to a school round here.

I'd love it - the face of new brave-comedy.

 

[Spanky Longhorn]

Urmmm I agree I think, that's one hell of a complicated sentence.

even our trusty old friend the semi-colon couldn't help with that

 

[butchersapron]

Not the effortless mix of nor and either?

 

[Spanky Longhorn]

Not the effortless mix of nor and either?

Stylistically impressive admittedly

 

[bolshiebhoy]

Do they know that talking to you about it is roughly equivalent to talking in public?

Facebook IS public as JM keeps saying!

 

[frogwoman]

 

[butchersapron]

Can you change concessions to oppressions? Otherwise, i'm there.

 

[frogwoman]

 

[butchersapron]

Need a hand on the door?

 

[butchersapron]

Maybe we could a fiver off for each oppression?

 

[frogwoman]

 

[sihhi]

I'd love it - the face of new brave-comedy.

It's brave just being a successful comedian nowadays with the Rise of Twitter:

http://www.suchsmallportions.com/fe...t-think-16-year-old-me-would-want-be-comedian

1990s


“I don't remember it being inconvenient... And then one day, a bloke had shouted at me on escalator ‘Oi Stew’ and a guy in a van had shouted ‘Oi Stew’ and this happened about four times. My Dad went, ‘God you know loads of people’, he never realised. He thought I knew van drivers, random people in vans or cars that I didn’t recognise, but I never remember it being a problem.”

Now

“Now what I would love to do, if I can get out of the venue in time, takes me about half an hour to sell my stuff... is get to a pub and get one or two pints of a local bitter that I wouldn’t be able to get in London. That’s perfect but often that's difficult, people recognise you and hassle you. ...
What changed in the meantime is Twitter, social networking all that kind of stuff and it’s much worse now and you’re basically tracked and feel paranoid all the time and you have to be on your best behaviour."

 

[butchersapron]

I wonder what he feels about snoop-teams and grass numbers and increasing work surveillance and peoples free time being ate away by 'open access'from bosses to them? Because all you've got is an agent isn't it lee? That's not just an anti-lee point, i just find the lack of perspective pretty...i want to say offensive, but it's not, it's just how i expect them to think.

(I also think we're well OT on this thread )

 

[bolshiebhoy]

Well its been a quiet day on the swp front

 

[discokermit]

one thing to come out of all this, molyneux has made himself look a right cunt.

 

[butchersapron]

Well its been a quiet day on the swp front

We are watching hands and looking at facial gestures. There is no politics in this now - at least as little as there ever was. It's a challenge and if it succeeds or fails - a game. If it succeeds you and others will be praising their bravery as part of the tradition that you defend in short step. But none of it means anything apart from those to whom it must (i said whom).

 

[butchersapron]

one thing to come out of all this, molyneux has made himself look a right cunt.

I've been in the party 30 years, and i almost grew a spine, then the CC told me not to.

 

[bolshiebhoy]

one thing to come out of all this, molyneux has made himself look a right cunt.

Well there's a very thin sliver between the far right wing of the loyalists and the far left wing of the opposition. Plus being in Dublin screws with your perspective.

 

[butchersapron]

Well there's a very thin sliver between the far right wing of the loyalists and the far left wing of the opposition. Plus being in Dublin screws with your perspective.

All the good ones, they're on the right, we're on the left, every time. Saw them with counterfire then bamberry - your politic are indistinguishable. You are all the same politically just fighting over a teachers turd.

 

[bolshiebhoy]

All the good ones, they're on the right, we're on the left, every time. Saw them with counterfire then bamberry - your politic are indistinguishable. You are all the same politically just fighting over a teachers turd.

Now come on chap. That's as crass as me saying all you anarchists are the same. I know there's a world of difference between your sophisticated brand and some of the folk on here.

 

[butchersapron]

I'm talking about the organisation bb. And the way that you good people fight over it with the same tricks over and over, they're on the right they've moving away they never grasped it, they were part of 'the movements' - it's a hacks handbook. It's like a managers little toolkit.

 

[sihhi]

I've been in the party 30 years, and i almost grew a spine, then the CC told me not to.

25 minutes in - explains the importance of the party.



"You have organise, bring together [in a party] and get to work together those key people, who are the actual more militant those people who do want to see socialist revolutionary change in all the struggles of the working-class. Now, that is what we're talking about when we're talking about how you need a party. Not people to rule the working-class but people to win the working-class to what needs to be done in the struggle to secure the victory in the revolution"

 

[redcogs]

I once had to drag one of the signees of the latest document away from a silly altercation he decided to have with a copper on a city centre Saturday sale. He seems to have been an adventurist student forever. Another of the signees and a one time researcher for Arthur Scargill went on to work for RJB Mining (bought most of the pits after the strike) on a huge salary apparently and have ever since little in the way of respect for that one. Colin Barker I have some time for.

i have an idea that the former NUM employee (Brian Parkin) passed away, quite some time ago.

It may be that another Brian Parkin (who is a current SWP member) has signed up. Only mentioning it because the extant Parkin may not deserve any disrespect for turn-coatism.

 

[butchersapron]

25 minutes in - explains the importance of the party.



"You have organise, bring together [in a party] and get to work together those key people, who are the actual more militant those people who do want to see socialist revolutionary change in all the struggles of the working-class. Now, that is what we're talking about when we're talking about how you need a party. Not people to rule the working-class but people to win the working-class to what needs to be done in the struggle to secure the victory in the revolution"

Entirely consistent wht their 19th century plan - from lenin - reach the mass of workers through the best most militant workers - then we have the ladder into them. Of course we learn form them, but you know...the party sees further than the class.

 

[sihhi]

Entirely consistent wht their 19th century plan - from lenin - reach the mass of workers through the best most militant workers - then we have the ladder into them. Of course we learn form them, but you know...the party sees further than the class.

At least it worked in Russia and didn't end up attacking its "most militant workers" and channeling gold to national dictators who attacked their own "most militant workers". .... Err hang on a moment.