SWP expulsions and squabbles

[cesare]

if you could please. I am particularly interested in organisations who have ( for what ever reason) have not chosen to use the bourgeois justice system but have dealt with these things internally.

I have emailed Solfed already. Perhaps you could email Afed, as it's your interest/comparison.

 

[The39thStep]

I have emailed Solfed already. Perhaps you could email Afed, as it's your interest/comparison.

I think its more than just my interest Cesare and its not a comparison at this stage. There must be other examples that have occured , we know about the WRP incidents, the outing of two men whose behaviour was unacceptable in the anarchist scene last year(?), the SWP, and we will hopefully find out a bit more about Afed.

Btw what is the difference between Afed and SolFed?

 

[two sheds]

No I completely understand the indignation on the assumption you buy the coverup hypothesis.

So you don't buy the coverup hypothesis?

 

[cesare]

I think its more than just my interest Cesare and its not a comparison at this stage. There must be other examples that have occured , we know about the WRP incidents, the outing of two men whose behaviour was unacceptable in the anarchist scene last year(?), the SWP, and we will hopefully find out a bit more about Afed.

Btw what is the difference between Afed and SolFed?

It may not be just *your* interest, The39thStep, but you are the person that is specifically raising it (again).

Afed and Solfed are two different anarchist organisations, and operate separately with different constitutions and aims/objectives which are set out on their respective websites.I'm not a member of either and never have have been, so I can only describe what I perceive to be the differences and someone more knowledgeable than me can put me right if necessary.

Afed - Anarcho-communist, a class struggle organisation which aims to abolish capitalism. Some of its members meet and organise, but it's possible to be a member without becoming involved in direct action.
Solfed - Anarcho- syndicalist, which is anarchism applied to the workers' movement. A revolutionary union based on direct action and direct democracy. Its members meet and organise.

 

[DrRingDing]

how is organising the Firebox workers going?

What's your party allegiances?

You're far too old, straight and blokey for Counterfire.

 

[The39thStep]

It may not be just *your* interest, The39thStep, but you are the person that is specifically raising it (again).

Afed and Solfed are two different anarchist organisations, and operate separately with different constitutions and aims/objectives which are set out on their respective websites.I'm not a member of either and never have have been, so I can only describe what I perceive to be the differences and someone more knowledgeable than me can put me right if necessary.

Afed - Anarcho-communist, a class struggle organisation which aims to abolish capitalism. Some of its members meet and organise, but it's possible to be a member without becoming involved in direct action.
Solfed - Anarcho- syndicalist, which is anarchism applied to the workers' movement. A revolutionary union based on direct action and direct democracy. Its members meet and organise.

Ta. pleasure doing business etc

 

[cesare]

Ta. pleasure doing business etc

No worries. Are you going to email AFED?

 

[The39thStep]

What's your party allegiances?

You're far too old, straight and blokey for Counterfire.

don't have one.

Thanks. Mature is the word I believe you are searching for btw. ( some people have said that I have a strong feminine side as well though)

 

[The39thStep]

No worries. Are you going to email AFED?

yes dear.

 

[cesare]

yes dear.

Excellent, darling

 

[belboid]

Belboid, 39thStep and Nigel I. Do you completely discount that this may have filtered through to the wider rank and file membership of the TUs, who might be asking questions of any SWP reps?

Yes. Outside of education it will have almost precisely zero impact. For 99% of regular TUists as soon as they'd hear the words 'in the SWP' they would stop paying any attention whatsoever. If someone started a conversation about a rep in the party with (something like) 'but do you know what they did in his/her party' - the answer would be 'I dont care they're a good rep' (unless they're not a good rep, of course). But they wont are about 'the party' unless they are, or were, a member of a rival body.

The 'open letter' linked to earlier is just an excuse for a small number of people not particularly enamoured of the SWP anyway to go 'nyahh nyahh, I know what you've done'

 

[kavenism]

On Elane Heffernan's FB

i am going to Mexico for three months..... wink wink

Suspension from branch? I only recall one public post from her critical of the situation in the party. Is that all it takes for a suspension? They must be cracking heads right left and center if that's anything to go by!

 

[belboid]

On Elane Heffernan's FB


Suspension from branch? I only recall one public post from her critical of the situation in the party. Is that all it takes for a suspension? They must be cracking heads right left and center if that's anything to go by!

she left two years ago apparently - over the initial investigation into this affair

 

[Pickman's model]

Not concerned Pickmans, interested. The left and the anarchist scene can't be immune to this sort of behaviour but I am interested in how they are dealt with.

you're not that interested if you've not bothered emailing them about it

 

[Pickman's model]

On Elane Heffernan's FB


Suspension from branch? I only recall one public post from her critical of the situation in the party. Is that all it takes for a suspension? They must be cracking heads right left and center if that's anything to go by!

at least it's not resettlement in the east

 

[Pickman's model]

Mature is the word I believe you are searching for btw.

like an old camembert

 

[The39thStep]

On Elane Heffernan's FB


Suspension from branch? I only recall one public post from her critical of the situation in the party. Is that all it takes for a suspension? They must be cracking heads right left and center if that's anything to go by!

Mexico is welcome to her/in her

 

[The39thStep]

you're not that interested if you've not bothered emailing them about it

do keep up with Cesare's management of me

 

[Pickman's model]

do keep up with Cesare's management of me

you haven't emailed them. you're not bothered about it. you're just pissing about with it on urban. probably just to bump up your post count.

 

[Random]

you haven't emailed them. you're not bothered about it. you're just pissing about with it on urban. probably just to bump up your post count.

You really think someone would do that? Just go on the internet and piss about?

 

[Pickman's model]

You really think someone would do that? Just go on the internet and piss about?

not people like you or me, obviously. but people like the 39th step, that type might.

 

[cesare]

Don't be mean to 39thStep. I'm sure he's already put his interest to afed by way of an email ALREADY.

 

[Pickman's model]

Don't be mean to 39thStep. I'm sure he's already put his interest to afed by way of an email ALREADY.

(((afed)))

 

[cesare]

(((afed)))

Probably in green ink, too

 

[Pickman's model]

Probably in green ink, too

gone but not forgotten

 

[Nigel Irritable]

Slightly more details about the London SWSS thing: apparently the two CC members now in charge of student work organised a meeting with a large bunch of students to whack them back into line. And it went badly wrong as they were unprepared for a totally hostile and insubordinate response.

 

[Pickman's model]

Slightly more details about the London SWSS thing: apparently the two CC members now in charge of student work organised a meeting with a large bunch of students to whack them back into line. And it went badly wrong as they were unprepared for a totally hostile and insubordinate response.

the whackers whacked

 

[imposs1904]

Slightly more details about the London SWSS thing: apparently the two CC members now in charge of student work organised a meeting with a large bunch of students to whack them back into line. And it went badly wrong as they were unprepared for a totally hostile and insubordinate response.

who were the two CC members? Wish I was fly on the wall in that meeting.

 

[ViolentPanda]

Honest question here Anti Theory, how long ago did you leave the party? I can understand your anti cc passion given the scale of this crisis and the issues involved. Fair enough. But this dismissing of the party's united front work suggests something a little more politically bitter at work in your head.

Some advice: Please exercise a modicum of reflexivity before posting.

 

[cesare]

who were the two CC members? Wish I was fly on the wall in that meeting.

I'd love to know what "hostile and insubordinate" consisted of