SWP expulsions and squabbles

[bolshiebhoy]

You are a bumptious little turd aren't you.

 

[barney_pig]

You seem to be very quick to leap to abuse as an answer to attacks on the SWP cc; does this cause problems at Swindon Labour Party meetings?

 

[bolshiebhoy]

Btw where's CC Apology Boy gone ? Is he awaiting his master's words on the issues I raised ?

If you said anything new I might be forced to Anti Theory.

All this blather about PR and spin doctors from the people who've fueled a bourgeois media campaign against their own party.

 

[emanymton]

Also what do you think about Maxine Bowler's assertion here that the opposition within should have stood a slate against the current DC?

"I urge you to vote for this report that we’ve made, and to be honest, nobody else has come forward to stand for the disputes committee. I do not know, if people are so angry about the way in which the disputes committee have dealt with this then really they should have come forward with an alternative slate."

The CC refused to allow a faction set up to challenge the DC report, I think this made proposing an alternative slate more difficult.

 

[bolshiebhoy]

You seem to be very quick to leap to abuse as an answer to attacks on the SWP cc; does this cause problems at Swindon Labour Party meetings?

I've spent weeks explaining patiently where I stand. Think you'll find I rarely lower myself to your sort of level. But this fucker's tone is too infuriating to ignore, self righteous little prig.

 

[cesare]

Top work there, with that chronology, Sihhi. Must have taken ages.

Before Theory - were the Conference delegates provided with copies of the DC report they were required to vote on?

 

[Before Theory]

You are a bumptious little turd aren't you.

That's Mr Bumptious Turd to you Apology Boy.

 

[cesare]

That's Mr Bumptious Turd to you Apology Boy.

 

[Before Theory]

I've spent weeks explaining patiently where I stand. Think you'll find I rarely lower myself to your sort of level. But this fucker's tone is too infuriating to ignore, self righteous little prig.

No you've been too busy lowering yourself to the CC's collective arseholes to pick up what your next brain dead loyal response should be.

I think you should definitely rejoin Apology Boy, the SWP is going to have a few empty united fronts to plant people in.

 

[barney_pig]

I've spent weeks explaining patiently where I stand.

Patiently explain. Where we stand. Lol

 

[Before Theory]

No the

Top work there, with that chronology, Sihhi. Must have taken ages.

Before Theory - were the Conference delegates provided with copies of the DC report they were required to vote on?

No they were not. Infact a sizeable amount of decent folks from outside the large branches turned up at conference with no idea of the shitstorm that was about to descend on them.

 

[bolshiebhoy]

Honest question here Anti Theory, how long ago did you leave the party? I can understand your anti cc passion given the scale of this crisis and the issues involved. Fair enough. But this dismissing of the party's united front work suggests something a little more politically bitter at work in your head.

 

[cesare]

No the

No they were not. Infact a sizeable amount of decent folks from outside the large branches turned up at conference with no idea of the shitstorm that was about to descend on them.

Thank you. Was this normal practice? (Asking delegates to vote on whether or not to accept, unseen, a DC report).

 

[Before Theory]

Thank you. Was this normal practice? (Asking delegates to vote on whether or not to accept, unseen, a DC report).

It was always a verbal report in all the years I was in the SWP. R & F members were not given any prior information about cases before the DC, printed or otherwise.

 

[cesare]

It was always a verbal report in all the years I was in the SWP. R & F members were not given any prior information about cases before the DC, printed or otherwise.

Ah, ok, cheers. Not out of the ordinary then, in terms of how they did it. I'm surprised more people didn't abstain though.

 

[Before Theory]

Honest question here Anti Theory, how long ago did you leave the party? I can understand your anti cc passion given the scale of this crisis and the issues involved. Fair enough. But this dismissing of the party's united front work suggests something a little more politically bitter at work in your head.

Spot on Apology Boy. I am bitter. And I am angry that Delta, Lord Alex and their loyal coterie have manufactured a whole backstory to cover-up his behavior, and that they are willing to destroy a party I spent many years building in order do that.

10 out of 10 for fucking observation, maybe you're not the brain dead apologist I thought you were, but then again....

 

[barney_pig]

Ah, ok, cheers. Not out of the ordinary then, in terms of how they did it. I'm surprised more people didn't abstain though.

Abstention is vaccilation, vaccilation is anti Bolshevik.

 

[Nigel Irritable]

But this dismissing of the party's united front work suggests something a little more politically bitter at work in your head.

More politically bitter than this?

 

[cesare]

Abstention is vaccilation, vaccilation is anti Bolshevik.

Gotcha.

 

[Before Theory]

Ah, ok, cheers. Not out of the ordinary then, in terms of how they did it. I'm surprised more people didn't abstain though.

Hard to explain the kind of atmosphere at these SWP events. At conference 2011 women who spoke up in support of the victim were literally screamed at by members, male and female. It can be quite intimidatory, and the full facts have only emerged since. Also abstention is really jeered at, apparently "It's not in the Bolshevik tradition" I can understand why people voted with the CC in this situation, especially when they weren't sure what the hell was happening.

 

[bolshiebhoy]

Right BT if we can lower the level of abuse a wee bit I'm sure that'd be appreciated all round. So are you saying the united front work is all going to be undone by this crisis and that nobody will work with swpers going forward? Or are you one of those who thinks the united front work was all a sham all along? Not trying to goad you with this question just trying to understand where exactly you're coming from.

 

[discokermit]

from revleft,

"Last night Bristol SWP effectively voted to censure long-dead Bolshevik Grigory Zinoviev. The motion itself condemned "a model based on Syriza in Greece, the Mensheviks or other Centrist or left reformist tendencies." But the proposer used the opportunity to polemicise against Zinoviev for breaking party discipline and speaking outside the party. Ironically, the Bolsheviks, in whose tradition he was at pains to point out the SWP stand, didn't expel him...

I'm glad that piece of business has finally been resolutely resolved after almost 96 years of uncertainty over whether Zinoviev was in fact a bureaucratic autonomist, creeping feminist, or reformist Menshevik.

Zinoviev has actually become a contentious issue for them. As the party crumbles around they think the way to resolve the crisis is to debate whether Zinoviev should have been expelled in 1917 in order to justify the expulsions being made by the SWP presently.

Yeah, if anyone thinks that organisation isn't worth saving, I wholeheartedly agree"

http://www.revleft.com/vb/censure-z...l?s=220aacc650b83a00bd1dcadf217715aa&t=178358

 

[emanymton]

from revleft,

"Last night Bristol SWP effectively voted to censure long-dead Bolshevik Grigory Zinoviev. The motion itself condemned "a model based on Syriza in Greece, the Mensheviks or other Centrist or left reformist tendencies." But the proposer used the opportunity to polemicise against Zinoviev for breaking party discipline and speaking outside the party. Ironically, the Bolsheviks, in whose tradition he was at pains to point out the SWP stand, didn't expel him...

I'm glad that piece of business has finally been resolutely resolved after almost 96 years of uncertainty over whether Zinoviev was in fact a bureaucratic autonomist, creeping feminist, or reformist Menshevik.

Zinoviev has actually become a contentious issue for them. As the party crumbles around they think the way to resolve the crisis is to debate whether Zinoviev should have been expelled in 1917 in order to justify the expulsions being made by the SWP presently.

Yeah, if anyone thinks that organisation isn't worth saving, I wholeheartedly agree"

http://www.revleft.com/vb/censure-z...l?s=220aacc650b83a00bd1dcadf217715aa&t=178358

The SWP, so leninist they can tell Lenin were he went wrong.

 

[emanymton]

Anyway one for BB, apparently their is some bad stuff about CM here, but I couldn't manage to actually read it, I'd pretty much given up by the end of the first sentence.

 

[butchersapron]

from revleft,

"Last night Bristol SWP effectively voted to censure long-dead Bolshevik Grigory Zinoviev. The motion itself condemned "a model based on Syriza in Greece, the Mensheviks or other Centrist or left reformist tendencies." But the proposer used the opportunity to polemicise against Zinoviev for breaking party discipline and speaking outside the party. Ironically, the Bolsheviks, in whose tradition he was at pains to point out the SWP stand, didn't expel him...

I'm glad that piece of business has finally been resolutely resolved after almost 96 years of uncertainty over whether Zinoviev was in fact a bureaucratic autonomist, creeping feminist, or reformist Menshevik.

Zinoviev has actually become a contentious issue for them. As the party crumbles around they think the way to resolve the crisis is to debate whether Zinoviev should have been expelled in 1917 in order to justify the expulsions being made by the SWP presently.

Yeah, if anyone thinks that organisation isn't worth saving, I wholeheartedly agree"

http://www.revleft.com/vb/censure-z...l?s=220aacc650b83a00bd1dcadf217715aa&t=178358

That reminds me, i was told on sat night that the local organiser has just been removed, and removed for wandering hand syndrome. I can't vouch for it and have only just remembered.

 

[emanymton]

That reminds me, i was told on sat night that the local organiser has just been removed, and removed for wandering hand syndrome. I can't vouch for it and have only just remembered.

Only just remembered! You trying to say you have more important things to think about?

 

[cesare]

I wonder if they also do posthumous recruitment.

 

[butchersapron]

Only just remembered! You trying to say you have more important things to think about?

It was at a party, cut me some slack!

 

[discokermit]

It was at a party, cut me some slack!

bristol, sometime saturday night...

 

[barney_pig]

bristol, sometime saturday night...

Trotsky wasn't invited