SWP expulsions and squabbles

[DrRingDing]

http://socialistunity.com/swp-dehumanisation-leads-to-abuse/#.UQ_ZUHwgGK0
Anna Chen expands on the fuck circuit

Head honcho’s side were alarmed by the magnitude of the anger over the coming war and during a critical period instructed their members in the SWP via Party Notes not to build the demo, leaving it to the Socialist Alliance to mobilise (with the notable help of some/a few/several honourable SWP members in the provinces who effectively blew a big raspberry and carried on regardless). Then Birmingham, the biggest and strongest STWC branch, was purged.

Can anyone expand on this?

 

[bolshiebhoy]

It really is like waking up in a parallel universe, where has this ridiculous idea that the SWP exists to supply sexual fodder to the cc come from?! If anything there was always a culture of laughing at the more socially inept among the leadership. There was plenty of sex, some good, some bad as there would be in any group of like minded people sharing too much time and proximity. But the idea that younger members were lining up to supply sexual favours to their elders is more hilarious than offensive. And trust me I know the signs, I went to a Franciscan run school that had at least one priest arrested for child abuse.The whole culture of the SWP and it's sister organisations is just not the right breeding ground for that type of abuse of power, they're too bloody argumentative and critical about each other and everyone else. Something not recognised by people who dismiss them as sheep because they generally present a common front to the world. Put any group of IS people together and they will argue politics all day long. It's what makes them tick, its a way of preparing yourself to have arguments with people who disagree with you on most things. In fact it can be very draining which is one reason I for one burnt out from spending most of my waking life with comrades. The idea that the same group of people who would happily spend a Saturday doing a paper sale and then passionately debating deflected permanent revolution or whether finance workers produce surplus value could turn a blind eye to one of their number getting sexually harassed by another is just weird to me. Sorry but it is a fucked up idea of life in a party like the SWP.

 

[Pickman's model]

But the idea that younger members were lining up to supply sexual favours to their elders is more hilarious than offensive. And trust me I know the signs, I went to a Franciscan run school that had at least one priest arrested for child abuse.

traditionally people do not queue up for sexual abuse. so the idea that people were willingly lining up to supply sexual favours to the swappie big wigs would be accompanied by different signs to priests queuing up to abuse children.

 

[bolshiebhoy]

traditionally people do not queue up for sexual abuse. so the idea that people were willingly lining up to supply sexual favours to the swappie big wigs would be accompanied by different signs to priests queuing up to abuse children.

Sorry I meant lining up in a passive sense as in lambs to the slaughter not knowing what was about to happen but thank you for pulling me up for my ambiguous phrasing and giving me the chance to clarify. You are a gent as always.

 

[Nigel Irritable]

A new blog with a familiar style chimes in:
http://sovietgoonboy.wordpress.com/2013/02/05/the-swp-crisis-some-reflections/

 

[bolshiebhoy]

A new blog with a familiar style chimes in:
http://sovietgoonboy.wordpress.com/2013/02/05/the-swp-crisis-some-reflections/

Very familiar. Lots of speculation about supposed features of internal party life with precious little in the way of evidence. And then in the brief moments it gets round to the politics of the split...it can't be bothered. The little paragraph on feminism almost gets round to describing how the IS eventually hardened up it's position on feminism but then decides not to because the politcs are "too boring to relate here". Which doesn't really help us understand how loyalists see Seymour and the other Patriarchy fans. Oh well next...

 

[emanymton]

Can anyone expand on this?

Yeah, it's total bollocks. If anything the opposite is the truth, the SWP wanted to make sure it benefited most from the anti-war movement and so sidelined the SA.

 

[emanymton]

I think I need to be clearer, the SWP is a political joke. It lost any relationship with the actual working class decades ago, and perpetuates itself through hyper activity and a regular supply of impressionable radical students, upon whom the leadership depend financially, and prey sexually.
The dc 'investigation' consisted, as they themselves admit, of hearing the statements of the woman 'w' and of 'comrade' Delta.
They chose to believe Delta rather than W. they took their mates word over that of a young woman.
They then attempted to forestall any discussion of the case by expelling the Facebook four.
Their attempt to keep it completely quiet backfired, but this didn't stop them attempting to silence socialist unity and its transcript of the conference.
When someone chooses to believe the alleged assaulter over the victim, and then uses their position to suppress information about the case. That's rape denial.
Richard Seymour has supported and alibi-ed every twist and contortion of the SWP for years, and originally he did the same in this case, but he has run to the front of his, perhaps because he sees the chance to make himself a new mini cult, or maybe because he has grown a pair...
Unfortunately, the SWP is so effective in breeding sheep within its own ranks that the opposition has fallen over itself to fall in behind another leader, and so he gets more attention than he deserves.
Unfortunately, for some the sheep mentality continues even after leaving the SWP.

God you talk such utter shit, posts like this almost make me feel more sympathetic towards the SWP. Are you sure you are not on the SWP CC? Stuff like this does their job for them.

 

[manny-p]

Any details about who has been purged yet?

 

[SLK]

Here's a loyalist ex-members blog. Apologies if it's been posted.

http://derekthomas2010.wordpress.com/

 

[Nigel Irritable]

Socialist Unity is claiming that a CC member resigned last night, probably because expulsions were agreed at a CC meeting beforehand:

http://socialistunity.com/swp-leadership-fracturing-under-the-pressure/#.URDggWfwtic

 

[butchersapron]

Here's a loyalist ex-members blog. Apologies if it's been posted.

http://derekthomas2010.wordpress.com/

This blog is a pisstake right?

Anna Chen has leapt into bed (metaphorically) with Andy Newman and Richard Seymour to make shit up. Rather than placing a spotlight on the reactionary role of the FBI in their attempting to frame Martin Luther King to destroy the American Civil Rights movement, and the FBI’s infiltration of the Black Panthers, having them killed and framed for crimes they never committed, or of British Intelligence bumping off civil rights lawyers like Pat Finucane, and the use by Isreal’s Mossad of honey traps to kidnap Mordecai Vanunu, Anna Chen tosses mud in everyone’s eyes?

 

[Nigel Irritable]

This blog is a pisstake right?

"troubled", I suspect.

 

[belboid]

it's Tom Delargy, again.

(I think he's trying to imply AC was a police spy)

 

[butchersapron]

Interesting that SLK thought this sort of thing was the sort of thing loyalists are coming out with:

Richard Seymour crawls from Tomb
Stellar rimming. Dives in womb
Agents of the British state
Get out cheque book
Dick cannot
Wait

 

[articul8]

it's Tom Delargy, again.

(I think he's trying to imply AC was a police spy)

that guy? Mad as a box of frogs. Blocked me on twitter

 

[Nigel Irritable]

Should we have a betting pool on which day this week the expulsions start? Or maybe on how many expulsions there are in the first wave?

 

[articul8]

Interesting that SLK thought this sort of thing was the sort of thing loyalists are coming out with:

Matgamna?

 

[articul8]

Should we have a betting pool on which day this week the expulsions start? Or maybe on how many expulsions there are in the first wave?

I hear tell of a letter being circulated to get Delta dropped from UAF work - Weyman is telling signatories that they risk being sued for defamation so better take their names off.

 

[Bun]

I think this chap has "issues".....

 

[Nigel Irritable]

I hear tell of a letter being circulated to get Delta dropped from UAF work - Weyman is telling signatories that they risk being sued for defamation so better take their names off.

Is this a letter from non-SWP supporters of UAF? Or an SWP one?

 

[DrRingDing]

Yeah, it's total bollocks. If anything the opposite is the truth, the SWP wanted to make sure it benefited most from the anti-war movement and so sidelined the SA.

May I ask your party allegiances?

 

[Spanky Longhorn]

Should we have a betting pool on which day this week the expulsions start? Or maybe on how many expulsions there are in the first wave?

I think they'll expel Seymour and a couple of his higher profile supporters to test the waters and hope the rest knuckle under, but then move to expel droves if that doesn't shut them up.

It's quite clear the soft opposition are going to put their heads down while it all goes on.

 

[cesare]

Socialist Unity is claiming that a CC member resigned last night, probably because expulsions were agreed at a CC meeting beforehand:

http://socialistunity.com/swp-leadership-fracturing-under-the-pressure/#.URDggWfwtic

The comments are interesting there. Lots about the impact on the TU aspect particularly in relation to rape investigations.

 

[articul8]

Is this a letter from non-SWP supporters of UAF? Or an SWP one?

no idea in all honesty, could be either, or mixed.

 

[Spanky Longhorn]

I've spoken to loads of lefty TUists (tell them, tell them!) in the last few days and I've been surprised at how many know about the SWP's problems and now consider them beyond the pale, and it's all to do with the way the allegations and investigation were handled.

 

[barney_pig]

I hear tell of a letter being circulated to get Delta dropped from UAF work - Weyman is telling signatories that they risk being sued for defamation so better take their names off.

So much for "we have no confidence in the bourgeois courts"

 

[belboid]

Can you link to a single paid for article by Chen profiting from slagging off the SWP?( not that think you are simply smearing sectarian bullshit against someone who says uncomfortable things about your party, I just would like to read one)

I might have bothered replying to you, exceopt from the rest of your posts I see you have no interest in an honest discussion, and are just childishly willing to believe absolutely anything about the party you were a member of a damned sight more recently than me because you weally weally hate them so much now. Chen is a full of herself bullshitter whos politics are laid bare in the last line of her fiction - the link to Nick Cohen.

 

[belboid]

have you got a link to that? i've heard it mentioned but i haven't seen where from.

it is barney lazily mis-reading things on the IS blog. One of the posters states that they were told there had been nine previous investigations. One comment states that the commentor is aware of two of those, both of which were found guilty. It doesnt [/I]say at all that they were the only ones to be found guilty, that is something barney created through the haze of his hatred

 

[imposs1904]

I might have bothered replying to you, exceopt from the rest of your posts I see you have no interest in an honest discussion, and are just childishly willing to believe absolutely anything about the party you were a member of a damned sight more recently than me because you weally weally hate them so much now. Chen is a full of herself bullshitter whos politics are laid bare in the last line of her fiction - the link to Nick Cohen.

Was that her linking to the Cohen or was that added on by one of the Socialist Unity administrators? I thought it was ambiguous.

Myself, I thought it was added on by SU admins, simply because she uses the line "politics is showbiz for ugly people" in her piece, and if that's the case, it begs the question: How many political parties is Nick Cohen a member of?