SWP expulsions and squabbles

[Delroy Booth]

Will the SWP still be welcome in TUSC after this I wonder?

 

[sleaterkinney]

http://www.socialistunity.com/socialist-workers-party-swp-national-committee-debates-the-crisis/

un-comradely language

 

[Delroy Booth]

Just read that nick cohen article. Thanks SWP for giving the right a stick with which to beat and smear us all, regardless of whether we're supporters of the SWP or not. These fuckers are doing huge damage to the radical left, giving our enemies and lowlife vermin such as Cohen an opportunity to indulge in a bit of McCarthyite red-baitng. They need to be treated like Galloway, as pariah's, or they'll take us all down with them.

 

[bolshiebhoy]

The loss of the current swss cadre might be the least of their worries, I can't see many su's letting the rape party onto campus in future, nor many broad lefts willing to embrace a cult so openly contemptuous of even the facade of democracy.
Let this sad broken husk die, and let the scum who defend it die with it.

Cheers

 

[bolshiebhoy]

Not as many as some think I suspect

I agree. There's a reason the prof didnt mention names inside the party in his piece.

 

[Oisin123]

They'll try to start small, I'd guess, and try to decapitate the opposition. But maybe not: The motions seem to suggest a siege mentality, so they might go "shock and awe".

I'm pretty sure it's going to be shock and awe (which is well put, but another way to say it would be 'bullying and intimidation'). From those resolutions it seems that the CC has found a certain amount of support among a layer of members who were organisers in the 90s. Enough to provide the CC and organisers with a ballistic launch pad.

 

[cesare]

Really? Some of us are on the point of rejoining. Sometimes it takes a shit split to convince the meanderers to do the decent thing.

I thought that you were a member of the SWP until you said you were a member of the LP nowadays "just an ex-member giving some insight but no partisanship". But your postings were all about the party line (as I understand it) dressed up in polite language. When you responded to me questioning the overall attitude of "don't look at this particular rape accusation - look at that one over there" with the put down "god bless" I fucking knew there was more to what you were posting than that of an onlooker.

I suppose a schism of this sort will make people consider their positions. Leave the party, rejoin the party, carry on as a disgruntled wedge, or carry on regardless.

But you're a dishonest bastard. Don't fucking come it now with "some of us are on the point of rejoining". I doubt you ever left.

"Do the decent thing".

Fuck's sake.

 

[manny-p]

or they'll take us all down with them.

Really?

 

[manny-p]

I thought that you were a member of the SWP until you said you were a member of the LP nowadays "just an ex-member giving some insight but no partisanship". But your postings were all about the party line (as I understand it) dressed up in polite language. When you responded to me questioning the overall attitude of "don't look at this particular rape accusation - look at that one over there" with the put down "god bless" I fucking knew there was more to what you were posting than that of an onlooker.

I suppose a schism of this sort will make people consider their positions. Leave the party, rejoin the party, carry on as a disgruntled wedge, or carry on regardless.

But you're a dishonest bastard. Don't fucking come it now with "some of us are on the point of rejoining". I doubt you ever left.

"Do the decent thing".

Fuck's sake.

Well said.

 

[manny-p]

Really? Some of us are on the point of rejoining. Sometimes it takes a shit split to convince the meanderers to do the decent thing.

Why would you rejoin now out of all the times to do so? Troll alert.

 

[The39thStep]

The loss of the current swss cadre might be the least of their worries, I can't see many su's letting the rape party onto campus in future, nor many broad lefts willing to embrace a cult so openly contemptuous of even the facade of democracy.
Let this sad broken husk die, and let the scum who defend it die with it.

Take it you don't regularly contribute to the fighting fund?

 

[The39thStep]

Will the SWP still be welcome in TUSC after this I wonder?

The acid test will be Steve Hedley.

 

[brogdale]

Take it you don't regularly contribute to the fighting fund?

But the point about campus acceptance is a very valid one.

 

[articul8]

Interesting that Beyond the Fragments (which is being republished with new intros later this year btw) is singled out for criticism - together with the perspective of "broad, pluralist" left realignment. Ahead of its time...

 

[frogwoman]

The acid test will be Steve Hedley.

what do you mean?

 

[The39thStep]

what do you mean?

http://www.urban75.net/forums/threads/swp-expulsions-and-squabbles.303876/page-108#post-11905817

 

[The39thStep]

But the point about campus acceptance is a very valid one.

Valid as in ?

 

[frogwoman]

http://www.urban75.net/forums/threads/swp-expulsions-and-squabbles.303876/page-108#post-11905817

ah yeah. yeah i wonder what will happen with that ...

 

[brogdale]

Valid as in ?

credible

 

[The39thStep]

credible

Personally I have always thought the cobweb lefts obsession with campus student to be completely mistaken but aside from that in your experinece as a studenty type which university campus's do you think this would be a credible scenario to no platform the SWP?

 

[frogwoman]

Personally I have always thought the cobweb lefts obsession with campus student to be completely mistaken but aside from that in your experinece as a studenty type which university campus's do you think this would be a credible scenario to no platform the SWP?

agreed, from my own experience at uni i would say that this is a bit misguided to say the least! (because there weren't any swp members on campus anyway!)

 

[brogdale]

Personally I have always thought the cobweb lefts obsession with campus student to be completely mistaken but aside from that in your experinece as a studenty type which university campus's do you think this would be a credible scenario to no platform the SWP?

Oh, I don't have any firm intelligence on that matter; it's more than 30 years since I was a studenty type. But, I suppose, the list of those SWSSs that have tabled motions might well give an indication of where the student section will collapse. In such conditions of febrile debate I'd imagine that a party perceived as going to the extreme of rape apology, for the sake of self-preservation, will fare pretty badly with the politicised students in places like Sussex.

 

[emanymton]

Just read that nick cohen article. Thanks SWP for giving the right a stick with which to beat and smear us all, regardless of whether we're supporters of the SWP or not. These fuckers are doing huge damage to the radical left, giving our enemies and lowlife vermin such as Cohen an opportunity to indulge in a bit of McCarthyite red-baitng. They need to be treated like Galloway, as pariah's, or they'll take us all down with them.

The Cohen piece is a gift to the CC this morning, That it has come out on the day if the NC meeting is amazingly good timing for them.

 

[The39thStep]

One unanswered question is which organisations are going to benefit from this in terms of recruitment?

 

[emanymton]

One unanswered question is which organisations are going to benefit from this in terms of recruitment?

None.

 

[The39thStep]

None.

If so that is fascinating as there has been a huge amount of time spent by various groups, grouplets and scenes saying how bad they all are and how they misread this and that for so little gain.

Actually I think its all back to labour.

 

[Nigel Irritable]

The IS blog's comment on the CC motion indicates that 10 branches passed recall motions.

 

[TremulousTetra]

Can we please stop pretending there is any comparison between the WRP and the SWP. Politically or 'sexually'. The dc of the SWP agonised and split over whether there was an outside chance that delta might have harassed someone. if any of them had imagined for a second that he had actually raped someone, let alone had a history of repeated rape, he'd have been out the door quicker than you can say 'Where we stand'. The WRP leadership knew of a repeated pattern of rape and suppressed it. And some of them positively revelled in their 'Bolshevik' morality in doing so. Two totally different traditions and sets of practices.

I don't know, the 'lefts' fascination for political titillation with this issue, and persecution of the claimant who expressly wished this not to be made a public issue, is somewhat reminiscent of the tabloid media. Hypocrites.

 

[butchersapron]

I agree. There's a reason the prof didnt mention names inside the party in his piece.

Reverse engineering continues apace. The prof is an astute political tactician, therefore his pieces display astute political tactics.

Ad you've been 'on the verge of rejoining' for a decade now.

 

[butchersapron]

I know that we are not supposed to be quoting or answering the fool above, but " persecution of the claimant" is probably the most stupid post of the thread and definitely the lowest point of the loyalist defence on here. Worse even that bolshie's demonstration that you can take the hack out of the party...