One_Stop_Shop
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Hallas??
SWP expulsions and squabbles
- Thread starter Nigel Irritable
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Nigel Irritable
Five, Ten, Fifteen Years
334 to 201 on the vote for the CC. This seems to indicate a pretty solid "oppositional" block of circa 40% of delegates. It also means that quite a few people abstained on the disputes committee vote.
Nigel Irritable
Five, Ten, Fifteen Years
I'm not sure that they can last a year in all the circumstances. Even though the "centralist" faction et al will certainly want to.
tony.c
Well-Known Member
Duncan Hallas - SWP theorist and CC member who died a few years ago. Seemed to be permanently pissed.
But not a bad bloke.
bolshiebhoy
socialism leinster drink
Not a bad bloke. Now that's the understatement of the week! I never knew him totally sober but I never met anyone who could, patiently, explain any complex idea better.
Anyhows it looks like people are getting ready for the reprisals. Of my SWP friends on FB three have just removed every post or comment they'd made in the last three days that even vaguely mentioned the debates or factions. Very sad that they feel the need to do that :-(
Anyhows it looks like people are getting ready for the reprisals. Of my SWP friends on FB three have just removed every post or comment they'd made in the last three days that even vaguely mentioned the debates or factions. Very sad that they feel the need to do that :-(
The39thStep
Urban critical thinker
I thought the Darlington Branch had been wiped out?
They defected to North East Classwar and the WSM.
Nigel Irritable
Five, Ten, Fifteen Years
Looks like an attempt to avoid immediate expulsion / a conspicuous show of discipline.
I hear that the new CC does not include any of the four "dissidents", both the two the majority wanted to make an example of and the other two.
So now that the conference discussion period is over there's suddenly a couple of hundred people who were actually in formal factions, four just removed CC members and a bunch of people closely involved in a very bitter disciplinary case which split the party down the middle all on the outs with the new leadership in a situation where a third to 45% of the delegates sided against the leadership on a number of questions. And emotions will be running high, given the nature of disputes committee issue. And there are four ex-full timers now on the outside pissing in who have strong personal contact with many of the dissidents.
It will take months before the dust settles enough to get a clear picture.
Yes interesting times ahead for all seasoned SWP watchers, I'm finding this the first internal dispute in ages from the SWP that it is impossible to guess what will happen next...
I suspect that those who have predicted that there may be a substantial number of the younger activists who will simply quit straight away and dissolve into the ether as far as the far left are concerned are correct.
I suspect that those who have predicted that there may be a substantial number of the younger activists who will simply quit straight away and dissolve into the ether as far as the far left are concerned are correct.
Nigel Irritable
Five, Ten, Fifteen Years
Yes, the Counterfire lot were always going to end up as a new group.
You are right that this is unpredictable in terms of what will happen. There are lots of people who seem very unlikely to stay in the SWP, but how many and to what degree they will form an organised grouping outside is entirely unclear. A lot depends on how conciliatory / vengeful the new CC play it and how successfully the "calm down, calm down" older dissidents are at controlling the rest of the dissidents.
bignose1
Searchlight Spoiler
Wurst things have happened
discokermit
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someone i know met with some of the younger oppositionists last night and reckoned they were in good spirits then, despite what had happened.
bignose1
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That you Cash
Which would suggest they are naive
discokermit
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not sure i agree.
fair enough why do you think they are upbeat?
Do they think the organisational culture of the SWP will change a little towards how they would like to see it?
Or
Do you think they have plans to lauch a coherent break?
discokermit
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i don't think the first. possibly the second.
they have caused the biggest upset seen at conference yet. i don't think the organisational culture will change to suit them, in fact they'll probably have to weather quite a storm, but at the same time the cc has shown itself to be weak and possibly beatable.
i have no real idea how things will play out but right now i expect the oppositionists will be feeling more confident than the cc.
tony.c
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No. You don'y know me. I liked your book though.
bignose1
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OK thanks for that. But so much of what you say and obviously the name/initial made me think.
discokermit
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please, tell me it's not a joke book.
I suspect Tony C is here from Socialist "Unity"
tony.c
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No, I don't belong to anything, except my union. I was in the SWP in the 70's and around the 'squads'.
SpineyNorman
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tony.c
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I think that is from a film where those two pretended to be women to play in a band, can't remember the name.
So what are you implying?
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
That you just appeared here today is abit of a lie.
tony c stands for Tony Curtis?
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
It's entirely predictable. A small group will will disappear. That's it
I thought I could hear Sparklehorse.
tony.c
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I
I didn't say I just appeared here today. I joined this forum 6 years ago, but didn't participate after initially joining.
I've not been involved in politics much, but like to look in occaionally. Just remembered my login password a couple of days ago, and thought I'd see what was going on.
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