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Star Trek TV series(es) - general discussion of the franchise

danny la rouge said:
One of the main problems that I have with putting a series between our time and TOS’s time is that it collapses intervening technological advancement.

Somebody had better be working on warp drive. There’s only 45 years to get it capable of safely carrying a crew of 3. That’s not long in R&D terms. Then 90 years later we need ships capable of warp 5, with naecelles and replicators, with warp cores running on antimatter, carrying crew of 140.

It’s not long.
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Well there is no doubt progress on space travel was delayed due to that eugenics war we had back in the early 90's
 
So there was I thinking “great: finally a Trek series that can’t have Q or Ferengi, because neither is known to Star Fleet before Picard”. Safe in this knowledge I start up next episode, entitled “Acquisition”, but I’m still not worried. When who turns up but the Ferengi?

Please tell me Q doesn’t make an appearance!

So they’re in a Quadrant accessible from Earth by a warp 5 capable vessel, but they’re not encountered by the Federation until Picard’s time? My arse.

(I suppose I’ll have to watch on to build up more righterous continuity rage).
 
danny la rouge said:
So there was I thinking “great: finally a Trek series that can’t have Q or Ferengi, because neither is known to Star Fleet before Picard”. Safe in this knowledge I start up next episode, entitled “Acquisition”, but I’m still not worried. When who turns up but the Ferengi?

Please tell me Q doesn’t make an appearance!

So they’re in a Quadrant accessible from Earth by a warp 5 capable vessel, but they’re not encountered by the Federation until Picard’s time? My arse.

(I suppose I’ll have to watch on to build up more righterous continuity rage).
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If I recall the Ferengi episode was actually quite enjoyable.
 
cybershot said:
If I recall the Ferengi episode was actually quite enjoyable.
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To be fair, in the end it was. And they got round the continuity by having almost everyone from Star Fleet unconscious for most of it, and the identity of the “aliens” never revealed.

It’s still amazing that the Ferengi are at large for this encounter in 2150, with a Star Fleet crew who are 6 months away from Earth in a warp 5 vessel (that hasn’t been flying in a straight line), and yet no conscious contact is made with the Ferengi until 2364. Despite them being traders. Despite the Federation being by then well established.
 
Shippou-Sensei said:
1996. dolly the sheep, the docklands bombing, tamagotchi & the overthrow of the prince of tyrants...
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There's a novel that retcons the eugenics wars to somethong that happened without public knowledge and included many historical events from the nineties.
 
danny la rouge said:
Might do. Is it on Netflix?
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Not sure if Netflix UK have it but it's worth immersing yourself in it. Make sure to watch the minseries first otherwise you'll be lost. There's a couple of standalone "movies" - Razor being the only real essential (it takes place during season 3, iirc) and a reasonable spin-off Caprica.

Don't wish to give any spoilers whatsoever but (for me) it's one of the greatest sci-fi series for a long time.
 
maomao said:
No. The only streaming service it's available on seems to be YouTube at 18 bloody quid a season. Of course it's torrentable but we know that you don't do that. Shame, it's pretty good.
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My sister’s partner has box sets of it. I might borrow them.
 
BSG re-wrote the book on space effects and ran with the what-makes-us-human thing that ST started with (the creator of BSG started on Voyager.) Got to see that one, danny.
 
danny la rouge said:
My sister’s partner has box sets of it. I might borrow them.
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If you weren't that into DS9 then BSG might not be for you either. It has a similar serialised pace and darker tone - it was developed by Ron Moore, who was the executive producer for DS9's final two seasons.
 
strung out said:
If you weren't that into DS9 then BSG might not be for you either. It has a similar serialised pace and darker tone - it was developed by Ron Moore, who was the executive producer for DS9's final two seasons.
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Nooo, it is far superior to DS9. And I say that as a fan of both. Yes, it's dark - the ST optimism isn't there. Different universe. But the pace is faster and much, much less filler. The miniseries might leave you a wee bit meh on occasion but it's basically a 3 hour pilot setting you up for the real gig. And (trying not to spoil it) one character you may feel is a rip-off of a DS9 character but that's only initially.
 
strung out said:
If you weren't that into DS9 then BSG might not be for you either. It has a similar serialised pace and darker tone - it was developed by Ron Moore, who was the executive producer for DS9's final two seasons.
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It wasn’t the darkness or the serialisation that I didn’t take to: I just didn’t think the serialised story took off (the Dominion were only interesting when we knew little about them). And the ratio of below par episodes throughout was a disappointment. And it took a long time to get into its stride. And it was often more fantasy than sci fi. And Sisko was terrible. And ...

But you’re right, if BG is like DS9 in these respects, I probably won’t like it.
 
Poi E said:
BSG re-wrote the book on space effects and ran with the what-makes-us-human thing that ST started with (the creator of BSG started on Voyager.) Got to see that one, danny.
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I thought it started in the 70s? Was there a temporal distortion?
 
danny la rouge said:
I thought it started in the 70s? Was there a temporal distortion?
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Don't even go there.

Unless you find this charming

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Poi E said:
BSG re-wrote the book on space effects and ran with the what-makes-us-human thing that ST started with (the creator of BSG started on Voyager.) Got to see that one, danny.
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Ron Moore (I'm assuming that's who you're referring to as the creator of BSG) started on TNG but then spent five years on DS9. He fell out with Brannon Braga, so didn't have long on Voyager before leaving.

Also, fuck you all, DS9 is the best Trek and better than BSG, which got shite after two and a half seasons.
 
danny la rouge said:
No. No, I don’t.

OK, so what are we talking here? Post Voyager means it’s this century? So this is a reboot which rejects its previous boots?
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BSG started in the late 70s, iirc and was shite. And for a kid like me at the time, who was into Trek, Who and Star Wars, I'd rather have watched Buck Rogers in the 25th Century than original BSG.

The reboot kicked off early 2000s (again, iirc) and blew everything else away. It was dark, gripping, tense and tore the old show to pieces. You really don't need the original as a reference point. It has nothing to do with the reboot. I mean, you could read stuff into it if you wanted as the reboot continued - like, oh there's a nod to the original but other than that - not worth it.

DS9 is the best Trek (imho) but BSG (reboot) kicks ass. And not in a post-ironic Starship Troopers kinda way. It's just essential.

And it does not get shite after the first 2 seasons. But there will be vicious arguments aplenty after you watch the finale.... :D;)
 
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