Star Trek TV series(es) - general discussion of the franchise

[krtek a houby]

We watched Star Trek Beyond today and it was average, compared to the previous 2 instalments. It felt a bit like a two-parter from the series than an event movie. Karl Urban's the best thing about it, I reckons.

 

[Shippou-Sensei]

As much as I agree Karl Urban is the best I feel that the getting back to having a good fun baseline was what saved the movie. The other two tried to hard to be bigger and more epic than before and felt weaker for it in my opinion. Particularly into darkness.
Turns wrath of Khan into annoyance of cumberbatch.

 

[Shippou-Sensei]

I've done far worse than kill you. I've bored you. And I wish to go on... boring you. I shall leave you as you left me, as you left her. Marooned for all eternity, in the center of a dead movie... buried alive. Buried alive.

 

[krtek a houby]

As much as I agree Karl Urban is the best I feel that the getting back to having a good fun baseline was what saved the movie. The other two tried to hard to be bigger and more epic than before and felt weaker for it in my opinion. Particularly into darkness.
Turns wrath of Khan into annoyance of cumberbatch.

Hmm. On the plus side, Beyond has PE's "Fight the Power" in it but loses a point for including "Sabotage" (again) and Kirk smirking along to it. But is instantly redeemed with the "skip to the end" Pegg-scripted comment.

Not sure how I felt about the Enterprise crashing. We already got that in the original 3rd film and Generations (iirc). I'm trying to work out what element the next instalment can borrow from The Voyage Home...

 

[cybershot]

Got this over email.

If anyone wants to 'work' Destination Star Trek at the NEC in Birmingham, send am email to the address in the picture below.

 

[Shippou-Sensei]

Hmm. On the plus side, Beyond has PE's "Fight the Power" in it but loses a point for including "Sabotage" (again) and Kirk smirking along to it. But is instantly redeemed with the "skip to the end" Pegg-scripted comment.

For me that broke through the stupid barrier and looped back to kinda cool.

Objectively dumb but Kirk has been known to destroy computers with the power of charisma alone.

 

[Shippou-Sensei]

Also probably help by the fact sabotage is my favourite beastie boys track.

The should have played intergalactic and have the space time continuum collapse during the line referencing Spock.

 

[danny la rouge]

There’s been some great episodes. But I’ve come to moan about another stinker: VOY S6: E23 “Fury”.

It doesn’t make any sense. Not internally as a story. Not continuity wise as a part of 6 years of stories, and not character wise. There is no logic to any of it. No emotional truth, no believable motivation, no believable resolution. It’s a bunch of special effects looking for a justification and deciding it can’t be bothered finding any.

Just skip it.

 

[danny la rouge]

I’m watching Deanna Troi’s second guest appearance. I meant to remark last time: she’s forgotten how to do the accent she created.

(When I first heard it in TNG I thought she was deaf. But I came to realise she was trying to create an accent from a distant planet centuries in the future. Until her mother doesn’t have it too, when it becomes something she inherited from her late human father. Weirdly).

Anyway she’s stopped doing it.

 

[KeeperofDragons]

I need to rewatch B5. Londo and G'Kar would make it worth it even if the rest were shit.

Don't forget Garibaldi

 

[danny la rouge]

Watched VOY S7: E7 "Body and Soul" last night. It was a flawed episode, but I loved Ryan's performance: Seven's cranial implant (or something) was "hosting" the Doctor. Seven took on the Doctor's mannerisms and manner of speech perfectly. It was a tour de force.

The story itself had elements that have dated, thankfully. But for the featured role for Seven' alone it could well be one of my favourite Trek outings. A comedic performance with exactly the right lightness of touch.

 

[danny la rouge]

Finished Voyager last night. It was the best finale of any Trek series by 70,000 light years. TOS’s last episode was one of its worst; TNG’s finale was terrible; and DS9’s finale was one of the worst Trek episodes ever made.

VOY’s double episode finale, on the other hand, was worthy of cinematic release. An absolute treat, cementing the place of VOY as one of the best Trek series, if not the best.

 

[danny la rouge]

Not that the episode was perfect. I was convinced they were going to kill off Seven in the final leap to the Alpha quadrant. They seemed to be setting that up all the way along, but then at the end chickened out. Having set the ground work, they should have followed through.

But that - and the long standing objection to the Borg having a Queen at all - aside, it was a great episode, to contrast with the disasters previous Trek series had ended on.

 

[maomao]

I’m watching Deanna Troi’s second guest appearance. I meant to remark last time: she’s forgotten how to do the accent she created.

I have a friend whose mum is of the same ethnic background, from the same part of London and about the same age as Marina Sirtis and she sounds very similar. Could have been all the time living and working in the US that changed it?

 

[Poi E]

Finished Voyager last night. It was the best finale of any Trek series by 70,000 light years. TOS’s last episode was one of its worst; TNG’s finale was terrible; and DS9’s finale was one of the worst Trek episodes ever made.

VOY’s double episode finale, on the other hand, was worthy of cinematic release. An absolute treat, cementing the place of VOY as one of the best Trek series, if not the best.

After the umpteenth re-watching of Voyager my wife and I are firm fans over any of its contemporaries. If I had to be on one ship it would be Voyager

And yeah, I saw the episode you refer to the other day and Jeri Ryan nailed it.

 

[donkyboy]

voyager sticks in my mind for one thing. after 9/11 happened, the BBC changed the scheduled episode of voyager and showed a repeat of the episode which involved the holodeck as it didn't have any violence in it.

 

[danny la rouge]

Started Enterprise.

Bad:

- instead of a theme tune it's a cheesy power ballad! I don't think I can overlook this.

- the animosity with the Vulcans. I get dramatic tension, but why create it by making Vulcans into patronising bureaucrats? Vulcans are Zen, spiritual and a bit autistic. Not bossy jobsworths.

- they put an alien slug on a different planet. Surely introducing invasive species isn't something we'll still be doing in (whenever this is?)

Good:

- the cameo by Zephram Cochrane (version 2).

- there's a dog on the ship.

- they're afraid of transporters for people.

- translation is a problem.

Not sure yet:

- it's all a bit 80s looking. I don't want the future to look like the 80s.

- the vibe.

- some of the technology looks more advanced than TOS. It shouldn't be.

 

[Santino]

Started Enterprise.

Bad:

- instead of a theme tune it's a cheesy power ballad! I don't think I can overlook this.

- the animosity with the Vulcans. I get dramatic tension, but why create it by making Vulcans into patronising bureaucrats? Vulcans are Zen, spiritual and a bit autistic. Not bossy jobsworths.

- they put an alien slug on a different planet. Surely introducing invasive species isn't something we'll still be doing in (whenever this is?)

Good:

- the cameo by Zephram Cochrane (version 2).

- there's a dog on the ship.

- they're afraid of transporters for people.

- translation is a problem.

Not sure yet:

- it's all a bit 80s looking. I don't want the future to look like the 80s.

- the vibe.

- some of the technology looks more advanced than TOS. It shouldn't be.

Remember those Vulcan cunts in Deep Space Nine?

 

[Santino]

But otherwise yes, Enterprise is shit.

 

[danny la rouge]

Remember those Vulcan cunts in Deep Space Nine?

No, I don't. I remember Romulans though.

 

[strung out]

Wankers

Plus the vulcans who stole Nog's homework back in season 1 of course

 

[Santino]

Yeah, they researched and practiced an archaic human sport, JUST TO ANNOY Sisko.

That's good though. It's more fun when you remember the Vulcan philosophy of logic is only there to stop them murdering each other because deep down they're all solid gold cunts.

 

[danny la rouge]

Yeah, they researched and practiced an archaic human sport, JUST TO ANNOY Sisko.

I thought that was fine. He was a bit of a dick.

Anyway, I tend to do other things when a programme I like has a sports episode. Like read my phone or a book, or make tea.

 

[danny la rouge]

I’m not sure how long I can tolerate ENT. While the episodes themselves have been actually mostly better so far than the first season of DS9, what drove me on with DS9 was the promise of better to come (there was, but not as much as I’d been led to believe, and not always in the places I’d been told I’d find it). With ENT, however, everyone agrees that won’t happen.

So I’m going to find it hard to overlook the things I find irritating: the attitude of the crew. They’re arrogent, bigoted, Earth-chauvinist, twats. I don’t side with them in fights.

As for the politics. I don’t care about the niggle match between them and the Vulcans.

It all feels like they’re just fucking around with canon. I know it’s a prequel. But ultimately I’m finding it nearly as hard to care about as the mirror universe in DS9.

And the theme song is unforgivable.

 

[Signal 11]

With ENT, however, everyone agrees that [better to come] won’t happen.

They don't e.g. here: "seemed to flounder up until Season 3 which was good, Season 4 was great", and here: "I'd second that comment about the last season (I'd argue last 2 seasons) of Enterprise being good".

I'd remembered the first two seasons being a bit slow but I'm rewatching them on horror channel and they've been better than I remembered (nearly at the end of season 2 now). Really enjoyed 3 and 4 the first time and looking forward to seeing them again.

Having said that you're obviously less tolerant of shit sci-fi than me judging by this thread. It's been interesting reading about all the flaws I missed.

 

[cybershot]

Stick with it. It gets good.

 

[danny la rouge]

They don't e.g. here: "seemed to flounder up until Season 3 which was good, Season 4 was great", and here: "I'd second that comment about the last season (I'd argue last 2 seasons) of Enterprise being good".

It’s telling that in order to find a second favourable quote you had to use a poster who left years ago!

 

[danny la rouge]

Stick with it. It gets good.

I’ll see. But for the first time ever I’m using “skip intro”. (I likes intros. They set the feel. Except the feel this one sets is of a Michael Bolton video).

 

[maomao]

It's the best theme tune because it's the only one you can make up rude words to.

And the earth chauvinism is deliberate and there is some development on that front. Not as much as there could have been due to cancellation.

There are two big story arcs I remember from series 3 and 4. One of which is very good and one which is a little dull.

 

[danny la rouge]

And the earth chauvinism is deliberate

Yes, I guessed that. What with scriptwriters and all being involved.