Star Trek TV series(es) - general discussion of the franchise

[cybershot]

I’ll see. But for the first time ever I’m using “skip intro”. (I likes intros. They set the feel. Except the feel this one sets is of a Michael Bolton video).

You’ll be singing along before you know it. Also the intro takes a turn during a certain story arc and turns dark for several episodes! You wouldn’t want to miss that

 

[danny la rouge]

You’ll be singing along before you know it. Also the intro takes a turn during a certain story arc and turns dark for several episodes! You wouldn’t want to miss that

Just watched an episode called “Civilisation”. I liked that.

 

[krtek a houby]

I’m not sure how long I can tolerate ENT. While the episodes themselves have been actually mostly better so far than the first season of DS9, what drove me on with DS9 was the promise of better to come (there was, but not as much as I’d been led to believe, and not always in the places I’d been told I’d find it). With ENT, however, everyone agrees that won’t happen.

So I’m going to find it hard to overlook the things I find irritating: the attitude of the crew. They’re arrogent, bigoted, Earth-chauvinist, twats. I don’t side with them in fights.

As for the politics. I don’t care about the niggle match between them and the Vulcans.

It all feels like they’re just fucking around with canon. I know it’s a prequel. But ultimately I’m finding it nearly as hard to care about as the mirror universe in DS9.

And the theme song is unforgivable.

It's not as bad as it's made out to be (apart from said theme tune, obvs). The final season is the best but I'll be very interested to read what you think of the finale...

 

[danny la rouge]

I'll be very interested to read what you think of the finale...

My sister said something similar. (The elder of my two younger sisters. The younger didn’t make it that far herself).

 

[danny la rouge]

In ENT they say “away team”. This is wrong. In TOS they said “landing party”. It wasn’t until TNG that “away team” was used.

 

[danny la rouge]

It's the best theme tune because it's the only one you can make up rude words to.

I had it in my fucking head all day yesterday. I started the morning with it today. “No”, I told myself “we can’t have this two days running”.

So what did I replace it with?

 

[danny la rouge]

In ENT they say “away team”. This is wrong. In TOS they said “landing party”. It wasn’t until TNG that “away team” was used.

Also. Replicated food in TOS:

Colourful cubes. Including blue.

But in ENT, the replicated food (supplemented by hydroponics-grown crops) is far more “realistic” looking.

Technology needs to advance, surely?

 

[cybershot]

You just have to get over stuff like that. I assume you haven’t watched discovery yet?

 

[danny la rouge]

You just have to get over stuff like that. I assume you haven’t watched discovery yet?

No. The plan was to watch it all in order. So DISCO is next.

 

[Poi E]

Stick with Enterprise. Some good stuff in there with time lines etc. And some utter crap.

"Admiral" Archer's beagle got referenced in ST (2009), so Enterprise wasn't a complete blot on ST canon.

 

[Poi E]

And Discovery. Didn't like it watching it old school week-by-week. Just sat through the whole thing back-to-back and fucking loved it.

 

[DotCommunist]

I liked discovery but as with the new films it feels to me like the idea was 'lets do star trek but not'. Even fede3ration still felt tonally like trek even if I didn't rate it much, the new films though.. Just go fuck yourselves with that. Star trek for the spawn of the beavis and butthead generation

 

[Poi E]

In the words of Sulu: "I'm delighted; any chance to go aboard Enterprise."

 

[sleaterkinney]

I liked discovery but as with the new films it feels to me like the idea was 'lets do star trek but not'. Even fede3ration still felt tonally like trek even if I didn't rate it much, the new films though.. Just go fuck yourselves with that. Star trek for the spawn of the beavis and butthead generation

The first of the new films was good, the second one could have just been any buddy action film set anywhere.

 

[CNT36]

The first of the new films was good, the second one could have just been any buddy action film set anywhere.

The third was almost a Star Trek film.

 

[danny la rouge]

I’m actually enjoying Enterprise now. Some of the niggles have subsided. The anti Vulcan antipathy is not being laboured now, and Archer is even sympathetic with their position having seen for himself the need for “I don’t know, some sort of non interference, em, I want to say ‘directive’”.

There have been some cracking stories. In that regard, so far season one of ENT is far superior to DS9’s first season.

A couple of very silly scenes have had cast members (both male and female, in all fairness) strip down to their underwear on the flimsiest of pretences. After the action of Sleeping Dogs was concluded, for example, the episode ended with a sudden cut to a scene that saw the away team stripped to underpants and (in the women’s case) vests in a “detoxification shower”, with no set up, no narrative justification, and for what seemed an inordinate amount of time. This is not the first such scene.

 

[maomao]

A couple of very silly scenes have had cast members (both male and female, in all fairness) strip down to their underwear on the flimsiest of pretences. After the action of Sleeping Dogs was concluded, for example, the episode ended with a sudden cut to a scene that saw the away team stripped to underpants and (in the women’s case) vests in a “detoxification shower”, with no set up, no narrative justification, and for what seemed an inordinate amount of time. This is not the first such scene.

They need detoxification showers because they're not using the transporter which can filter all the shit out. Which is far more justification than there ever was for Troi's catsuit or Uhura's miniskirt.

 

[danny la rouge]

Which is far more justification than there ever was for [...] Uhura's miniskirt.

You say that, but trousers would have got in the way of her headset.

 

[maomao]

Did they do the uncomfortable shower with Archer and T'pol yet? I remember that being vaguely amusing. Personally I never would have bought it as a gritty back to basics prequel if I hadn't seen Yoshi in her knickers.

 

[sleaterkinney]

The third was almost a Star Trek film.

That was the one I meant, I had scrubbed the second one from my brain it was that bad, just lifted stuff from older films.

 

[Poi E]

I liked the first and third one. Second one with the Khan stuff was just OTT fan fiction crap. And now I can say I went to school with Bones

 

[danny la rouge]

Did they do the uncomfortable shower with Archer and T'pol yet?

No, I’ve not seen that yet. The last episode I saw did have them kidnapped and tied together though. And in the writhing they did to get untied his face ended up between her boobs. I’m not sure if it was meant as comedy, but it was awkward.

The episode was otherwise pretty good, and I imagine setting up the dynamics needed for the Federation to be established.

 

[danny la rouge]

One of the main problems that I have with putting a series between our time and TOS’s time is that it collapses intervening technological advancement.

Somebody had better be working on warp drive. There’s only 45 years to get it capable of safely carrying a crew of 3. That’s not long in R&D terms. Then 90 years later we need ships capable of warp 5, with naecelles and replicators, with warp cores running on antimatter, carrying crew of 140.

It’s not long.

 

[danny la rouge]

It’s cool, someone is on it.

https://io9.gizmodo.com/5963263/how-nasa-will-build-its-very-first-warp-drive

 

[Santino]

One of the main problems that I have with putting a series between our time and TOS’s time is that it collapses intervening technological advancement.

Somebody had better be working on warp drive. There’s only 45 years to get it capable of safely carrying a crew of 3. That’s not long in R&D terms. Then 90 years later we need ships capable of warp 5, with naecelles and replicators, with warp cores running on antimatter, carrying crew of 140.

It’s not long.

If you remember from Star Trek: First Contact, I don't think the inventor of warp drive was a stickler for the usual R&D timetable. For example, I bet he failed to fill out even the most basic risk assessment form.

 

[danny la rouge]

If you remember from Star Trek: First Contact, I don't think the inventor of warp drive was a stickler for the usual R&D timetable. For example, I bet he failed to fill out even the most basic risk assessment form.

Drunk in charge of antimatter, too. Blaring out Steppenwolf when he should have been listening to sensor arrays.

 

[Santino]

Drunk in charge of antimatter, too. Blaring out Steppenwolf when he should have been listening to sensor arrays.

Doesn't classical music help one to concentrate though?

 

[danny la rouge]

Although, early technology is usually a bit seat-of-the-pants. When you realise that Apollo 11 used handheld sextants for when they needed to do manual course adjustments!

 

[danny la rouge]

The TOS Zephram Cochrane was far more All American Astronaut than First Contact’s Mad Max Hillbilly. Probably Harold White (see article above) is somewhere in between.

 

[Shippou-Sensei]

The TOS Zephram Cochrane was far more All American Astronaut than First Contact’s Mad Max Hillbilly. Probably Harold White (see article above) is somewhere in between.

All american and from alpha centauri.....