isvicthere?
a.k.a. floppybollocks
So what are you going to "do" with this insight? Are you a May deal advocate or a crash out enthusiast?;
Should there be a second referendum? New question.
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So what are you going to "do" with this insight? Are you a May deal advocate or a crash out enthusiast?;
littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
Exactly. It may appear impossible now, but come March things may very well look different. No deal can't happen - they have about 10 weeks left to make something else happen instead.
Neither - I just prefer to discuss reality instead of fiction on the politics forum.
Winot
I wholeheartedley agree with your viewpoint
Absolutely this.
isvicthere?
a.k.a. floppybollocks
SpookyFrank
A cheap source of teeth for aquarium gravel
The phrase 'people's vote' really boils my piss tbh.
Raheem
Well-Known Member
It's a handy way of being able to work out that the people who ran the remain campaign so well haven't gone anywhere, though.
SpookyFrank
A cheap source of teeth for aquarium gravel
Oh but they've learned so much. For instance, how to use the word 'people' in a context which renders it so banal as to be meaningless.
Ax^
Silly Rabbit
as aside from everyone who ran the leave campaign
well aside from Boris he is doing tour promoting the idea of opportunity in uncertainty
so fuck the result you can make money from it
No make it 40 !
SpookyFrank
A cheap source of teeth for aquarium gravel
Pencil it in for eighteen months after I'm dead.
Combustible
Well-Known Member
Is it? When? How can one convict a political position anyway?
gentlegreen
I hummus, therefore I am ...
Perhaps if they lower the voting age to 16 and allow lots of other people to vote who couldn't last time.
I'm sceptical that we could get a healthy vote for remaining.
I want an avalanche of MPs of all parties to come out and admit that the first referendum was a farce - and basically admit that they all fucked up by allowing it to be held and thereby call the whole thing off.
I'm sceptical that we could get a healthy vote for remaining.
I want an avalanche of MPs of all parties to come out and admit that the first referendum was a farce - and basically admit that they all fucked up by allowing it to be held and thereby call the whole thing off.
Idris2002
canadian girlfriend
Separate referendums for the Welsh, Scottish and English republics. Fortunately, none will be necessary in the Six Counties. For an obvious reason.
Raheem
Well-Known Member
Up above, though, you were arguing for Parliament to just call the whole thing off!
Thing is that there are limited options now, and both of the realistic ones (referendum/Norway) will be seen a a fit-up by at least half of all leavers. I'm not saying it's a non-issue, but I don't see how it can be helped.
isvicthere?
a.k.a. floppybollocks
LeaveEU was convicted of breaking electoral law and fined £70 000 in May 2018. I'm sure you must have known that.
andysays
Love and solidarity
LeaveEU was convicted of breaking electoral law and fined £70 000 in May 2018. I'm sure you must have known that.
Legally, that doesn't in any way invalidate the result of the referendum, and politically we have since had a GE at which both main parties said they accepted the result of the referendum and were committed to leaving.
I would hope you would have known that, but perhaps it's slipped your mind...
isvicthere?
a.k.a. floppybollocks
Maybe if there's a no-deal crash-out - "England" will revert to Wessex and Mercia, or is that going back too far even for brexit enthusiasts?
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
We should go back to plucky wessex taking on the danelaw
isvicthere?
a.k.a. floppybollocks
isvicthere?
a.k.a. floppybollocks
It hasn't slipped my mind. What seems to have slipped yours is the GE was 11 months BEFORE (not "since") LeaveEU's flagrant cheating got exposed in court.
tim
EXPLODED TIM! (Help me!!!)
You're going soft in your dotage.
isvicthere?
a.k.a. floppybollocks
I'm hoping for this break-up to take place, since l now live in Murcia in Spain. Then on my Facebook profile l can have: From Mercia, lives in Murcia.
Kaka Tim
Half Arsed and Slapdash till I Die
I was arguing that would be less destructive and toxic then another referendum. Its a simple, upfront honest rejection of the democratic mandate of the referendum - rather than then a complex, disingenuous one.
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
Court? Convicted? Are you sure you're as clued up about the electoral commissions fining of the official leave campaign - or their fining of a range of remain campaigns - as you claim? You've totally confused a whole number of cases and processes here.
As for politically, well if the idea is substantially abroad among remainers - those guiding the ongoing campaign most crucially - that the official leave campaign had a damn thing to do with the Leave vote then they are truly setting themselves up for another defeat if there is second vote.
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Combustible
Well-Known Member
LeaveEU was convicted of breaking electoral law and fined £70 000 in May 2018. I'm sure you must have known that.
Leave EU were not "convicted in court", they were fined by the electoral commission. And more importantly, just because the state designated Leave EU as the official leave campaign, doesn't mean that whether leaving the EU is implemented or not should depend on their conduct. The vote wasn't an endorsement of the official campaigns. And at least most of the establishment seem to appreciate how most leave voters would react to them simply cancelling the referendum result on obviously spurious grounds.
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