Several people shot dead in Plymouth 12 August 2021

[BigMoaner]

Is that universal instruction for men?

I've had a few instructions to "Get your hair cut" in my time, too.

So have I mate. And good advice it was too!

 

[skyscraper101]

Dreadful stuff. A three year old girl FFS

I wasn't even aware non-military could legit get access to pump action shotguns in the UK. The fact that someone who had a license who made such publically WTF statements hadn't been flagged up as a nutter says a lot about the shortcomings of the security services.

 

[two sheds]

Join the police/army/Christian fundamentalists/KKK get a shave suddenly become peaceful. That's the spirit.

 

[sojourner]

The world doesn't owe incels anything. The world has done nothing wrong.

Shave off the fucking neck beard. Take up some sports. Develop some interests. Stop seeing woman as the root of all evil. People don't like you for a reason - find it, then you might be able to change.

They haven't got their head around the idea that if people tend to hate you, maybe it's something within you, rather than anything else.

It is interesting that incels moan like fuck about their lack of 'success' with women, and never seem to realise that their bitter statements are the biggest turn-off going.

 

[BigMoaner]

It is interesting that incels moan like fuck about their lack of 'success' with women, and never seem to realise that their bitter statements are the biggest turn-off going.

i've come across variants of these types at single events. i've had them fuming about chads and wacked out theories about bad boys and simps. they normally then spend the rest of the night on the sidelines frowning, surveying the scene. they've painted themselves in the corner and are now in a negative feedback loop. i've had periods of life where i was sexually frustrated, but the resentment was always turned within - "what hte fuck is wrong wiht me" etc, but on relfection that was actually my mind trying to help. the focus was inside, not on "women".

 

[sojourner]

i've come across variants of these types at single events. i've had them fuming about chads and wacked out theories about bad boys and simps. they normally then spend the rest of the night on the sidelines frowning, surveying the scene. they've painted themselves in the corner and are now in a negative feedback loop. i've had periods of life where i was sexually frustrated, but the resentment was always turned within - "what hte fuck is wrong wiht me" etc, but on relfection that was actually my mind trying to help. the focus was inside, not on "women".

It's the absolute entitlement too - enrages me.

 

[BigMoaner]

It's the absolute entitlement too - enrages me.

unreal

 

[Steel Icarus]

Given I work with computing students I fear it's only a matter of time before I get an incel in my cohort. Senior management have had training in thIs but I'll be trying to arrange some for all staff, I feel society at large is well behind the curve of the growth of this "phenomenon".

 

[Elpenor]

I don't really know enough about response times to judge the validity of the Chief Cuntstable's claims, but when a gunman has had time to slaughter 5 people and then dispatch himself before any police made it to the scene, I wouldn't be crowing about "phenomenal responses" tbh.

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To put this into context the armed response officers and most of the local cops would have worked virtually nonstop for about 3-4 weeks before and during G7, and as soon as that was over the rest of the UK came down here for their holidays, plus covid impacts.

I agree that it’s poor timing for the comment however, more of an internal communication really.

 

[beesonthewhatnow]

Dreadful stuff. A three year old girl FFS

I wasn't even aware non-military could legit get access to pump action shotguns in the UK. The fact that someone who had a license who made such publically WTF statements hadn't been flagged up as a nutter says a lot about the shortcomings of the security services.

A shotgun license (fairly easy to get) allows for a pump action that holds 2 shells plus one in the chamber. Any more capacity than that, or a semi-auto shotgun requires a firearms certificate (much harder to acquire).

 

[BigMoaner]

watched this a while ago which i thought was interesting. bit of a deeper dive into these "communities"

 

[brogdale]

To put this into context the armed response officers and most of the local cops would have worked virtually nonstop for about 3-4 weeks before and during G7, and as soon as that was over the rest of the UK came down here for their holidays, plus covid impacts.

I agree that it’s poor timing for the comment however, more of an internal communication really.

Is that a context, though?
Can "ordinary" people expect 6 minutes of shooting before there's a response? Is it relevant that ARUs have spent some weeks back in June making sure that cunts like Johnson would not have to wait 6 minutes for help if a terrorist opened up?
Not convinced; it looks to me like an insensitive comment from the Chief.

 

[Wilf]

Dreadful stuff. A three year old girl FFS

I wasn't even aware non-military could legit get access to pump action shotguns in the UK. The fact that someone who had a license who made such publically WTF statements hadn't been flagged up as a nutter says a lot about the shortcomings of the security services.

Maybe he had a licence, but not for this type of gun. My brief researches found you could get a licence for either 'sports shooting' in a club or 'vermin control'. Don't know much about it, but I'd guess a pump action gun wouldn't even be licensed for shooting rats. Ironically, it seems the final shot fired did kill a rat.

Edit: ah, sorry, already answered above.

 

[cupid_stunt]

6 minutes does look good, TBH.

The current target time for emergency incidents (‘immediate’ in Devon and Cornwall) is within 20 mins. However, the response times changed in May 2011, prior to which they were 15 minutes for immediate graded incidents in an urban area and 20 minutes for immediate incidents in a rural area.

EDIT - D'oh, you can't link to a downloaded PDF.

 

[brogdale]

6 minutes does look good, TBH.

Thanks for the info...still think it was poor form from the Chief...but maybe I'm just angry.

 

[PursuedByBears]

watched this a while ago which i thought was interesting

Laura Bates' (Everyday Sexism project) book Men Who Hate Women is very good on this too

 

[BigMoaner]

Laura Bates' (Everyday Sexism project) book Men Who Hate Women is very good on this too

yep, really good interview

 

[cupid_stunt]

Thanks for the info...still think it was poor form from the Chief...but maybe I'm just angry.

I agree it was a poor remark, but I thought 6 mins was fairly quick for a largely rural force, hence why I looked at their targets.

 

[brogdale]

I agree it was a poor remark, but I thought 6 mins was fairly quick for a largely rural force, hence why I looked at their targets.

Plymouth; rural?

One thing that did strike me about the emergency response was the fact that there were 4 Air Ambulances there at the same time; now that is impressive.

 

[Elpenor]

Plymouth; rural?

One thing that did strike me about the emergency response was the fact that there were 4 Air Ambulances there at the same time; now that is impressive.

Air ambulances are a fairly big thing down here due to the rural nature of Devon and Cornwall (plus the Scilly Isles) - or so I gather anyway according to a neighbour who works in that field.

I do think what he said was insensitive, if he wants to back up his officers he could have picked a better moment.

 

[BigMoaner]

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[BigMoaner]

they'll be a lot of "i am not defending his actions,...but...." in those online cesspits.

 

[BigMoaner]

someone turn off hte fucking internet please

 

[agricola]

I don't really know enough about response times to judge the validity of the Chief Cuntstable's claims, but when a gunman has had time to slaughter 5 people and then dispatch himself before any police made it to the scene, I wouldn't be crowing about "phenomenal responses" tbh.

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Six minutes from the second that the first 999 call is received at the control room to a unit getting on scene is very fast - remember that is for someone to take the details, type it on to an incident, send it to the despatchers, get a unit going and for the unit to get there on blue lights.

It is still enough time for him to kill and wound many people - just as it was for the three individuals to kill and wound many people at the first London Bridge attack - but you aren't ever going to get a faster response unless a cop is actually there or near enough so that they can hear it.

 

[Elpenor]

Six minutes from the second that the first 999 call is received at the control room to a unit getting on scene is very fast - remember that is for someone to take the details, type it on to an incident, send it to the despatchers, get a unit going and for the unit to get there on blue lights.

It is still enough time for him to kill and wound many people - just as it was for the three individuals to kill and wound many people at the first London Bridge attack - but you aren't ever going to get a faster response unless a cop is actually there or near enough so that they can hear it.

I just looked up the Fishmongers Hall attack response time - it was 5 minutes which backs this up what agricola says.

 

[likesfish]

Pump action and magazine fed Shotguns can be owned for the sport of "practical shotgun"
Some of them are the size of bren guns! Ridiculous things with a range of 100m.

This isnt really terrorism. Terrorism has some sort of ideology.
Not getting laid and hating women is not an ideology

 

[ElizabethofYork]

watched this a while ago which i thought was interesting. bit of a deeper dive into these "communities"

That's extremely concerning.

 

[Idris2002]

The world doesn't owe incels anything. The world has done nothing wrong.

Shave off the fucking neck beard. Take up some sports. Develop some interests. Stop seeing woman as the root of all evil. People don't like you for a reason - find it, then you might be able to change.

They haven't got their head around the idea that if people tend to hate you, maybe it's something within you, rather than anything else.

This is all true. But if society is producing more and more men - I was about to write "people", but let's face it, it's men - like this, then society needs to take a look at itself too.

 

[BigMoaner]

This is all true. But if society is producing more and more men - I was about to write "people", but let's face it, it's men - like this, then society needs to take a look at itself too.

don't disagree.

 

[BigMoaner]

This is all true. But if society is producing more and more men - I was about to write "people", but let's face it, it's men - like this, then society needs to take a look at itself too.

also doesn't help that as a society we are so romance/sex/relationship obsessed. more lies we have been fed. end result is people feeling cut off and isolated and weird if they are not fitting into some sort of "normative" framework.