Several people shot dead in Plymouth 12 August 2021

[StoneRoad]

Terrorism is in brief violence in support of a political aim (the involvement of politics is crucial to many if not most definitions of terrorism), and not sure the political motive has been uncovered here.

Of course even where there is a clear political motive the media and authorities seem to bend over backwards to make out they're mad rather than bad if white

miss direct
Also "religion" rather than "politics" per se or can be "criminally" or gangland motivated (in the latter two, the terrorism is aimed at a reduced field rather than society or a community in general.

non-terrorism is usually criminal or escalated domestic / personally motivated violence

IMO, of course.

 

[two sheds]

Davison has posted support for President Trump on his social media.

In one post on Facebook, Mr Davison re-posted a photo of the former US President with a quote that read: “In America, we do not seek to impose our way of life on anyone, but rather to let it shine as an example for everyone to watch.”

He also updated his Facebook cover photo to a picture of a bald eagle – the emblem of the United States – standing in front of the American flag.

Jake Davison named as Plymouth shooter

22-year-old ‘opened fire on family and strangers’ in spree that left six dead

www.independent.co.uk

How is this not political and therefore not terrorism?

 

[beesonthewhatnow]

So, another sad, women hating, incel prick. How did he have access to a firearm?

 

[steveseagull]

Shooter confirmed as an incel

 

[Brainaddict]

Grim. I guess the motivations will become clearer over time, but imagine if he were a muslim who had posted misogynistic content and praised the coup attempts of the former leader of a muslim country. Would the police and press be leaping to say it wasn't political and wasn't terrorism? Would they fuck. It's all so wearyingly predictable.

 

[8ball]

Fucking hell

 

[bellaozzydog]

Blimey, I was on a zoom call with a load of people on a residents committee in Keyham last night

I had a lovely few years living there in the noughties, Fleet Street and Albert Road it is fairly rough like but not shooting rough

 

[seeformiles]

Just watched some of his YouTube stuff - seems he had serious mental health problems, low self-esteem all exacerbated by incel shit. Badly needed some sort of psychiatric intervention.

 

[planetgeli]

"Not terror related"

That's alright then. Think I might have been pretty terrified.

RIP to all the victims.

 

[Smokeandsteam]

Just watched some of his YouTube stuff - seems he had serious mental health problems, low self-esteem all exacerbated by incel shit. Badly needed some sort of psychiatric intervention.

I had the unfortunate experience of seeing one of his videos posted up on twitter. What's truly scary is how many other people there are like this and where social/mental health interventions have not and will not be made.

 

[BigMoaner]

horrible story. So sad for all the victims.

 

[cupid_stunt]

Apparently a Trump supporter and into QAnon conspiracy theories.

U.K. Mass Shooter Said He Was American, Trump-Supporting Virgin

Jake Davison raged on Facebook and YouTube for years before carrying out the worst shooting in Britain for over a decade.

www.thedailybeast.com

Poor victims.

 

[PursuedByBears]

Whining self-pitying Incel piece of shit.

 

[eatmorecheese]

I really wish we didn't have to see his face and his profile so prominently reported. Just fuels the next sad cunt who might be willing to do atrocious shit like this as a bid for a sort of twisted immortality

 

[Elpenor]

That’s how I felt about the Reading attack last year, which was also a terrorist act.

 

[tendril]

Wasn't the nail bomber white? There must be an official definition somewhere of what a terrorism related incident is. Just trying to get my head around it. I mean if it's someone killing their own relatives I can see thats not terrorism, but shooting random people in the street seems to be.

Terrorism has a legal definition.

Terrorism | The Crown Prosecution Service

www.cps.gov.uk

 

[steveseagull]

D & C Police:

He killed a women with a pump action shotgun, then went into the street and shot and killed a young girl and her male relative. He then went on to kill three other people in the locality and then shot himself. Two other people with significant injuries.

He had a firearms license.

 

[Wilf]

Probably should just be respecting the victims today, but the 'not terrorism' line is grating. Any 'lone wolf' terrorist who happened to be a Muslim would have his actions classed as terrorism pretty sharpish. That this one seems to come out of the spewing cesspit of qanon and the rest seems just as terroristic.

 

[8ball]

I really wish we didn't have to see his face and his profile so prominently reported. Just fuels the next sad cunt who might be willing to do atrocious shit like this as a bid for a sort of twisted immortality

Definitely this.

 

[brogdale]

I don't really know enough about response times to judge the validity of the Chief Cuntstable's claims, but when a gunman has had time to slaughter 5 people and then dispatch himself before any police made it to the scene, I wouldn't be crowing about "phenomenal responses" tbh.

 

[two sheds]

Terrorism has a legal definition.

Terrorism | The Crown Prosecution Service

www.cps.gov.uk

"Terrorism is the use or threat of action, both in and outside of the UK, designed to influence any international government organisation or to intimidate the public. It must also be for the purpose of advancing a political, religious, racial or ideological cause.

Examples include:

• serious violence against a person or damage to property,
• endangering a person's life (other than that of the person committing the action),
• creating a serious risk to the health or safety of the public or a section of the public,
• action designed to seriously interfere with or seriously to disrupt an electronic system. "

Looks like terrorism to me by those definitions.

 

[steveseagull]

The little girl who was killed was three years old :-(

 

[Pickman's model]

D & C Police:

He killed a women with a pump action shotgun, then went into the street and shot and killed a young girl and her male relative. He then went on to kill three other people in the locality and then shot himself. Two other people with significant injuries.

He had a firearms license.

A great pity he didn't skip straight to shooting himself

 

[likesfish]

How the fuck did this pos keep his firearm certificate?

Usually scum like this are limited to air rifles and crossbows.

Pump action Shotguns that hold more than 3 rounds are firearms so you have to be a member of a "practical shotgun club" Who tend to be hot on self policing as they know they are drinking in the last chance saloon for there hobby.
Shooting Shotguns "combat style"

 

[Smokeandsteam]

Think this is about right in terms of the mindset/social conditions that are producing this:

 

[RainbowTown]

A wasted life makes for waste, not tragedy. This 'man' was a first class loser/tosser who took out his own miserable failings and inadequacies on other people. As is always the way with these type of individuals. He won't be mourned, he won't be missed. Nor should he.

RIP to the innocent victims.

 

[Steel Icarus]

No idea how this isn't classified as a terror attack given it's a violent act due to a warped ideology. Almost like there's a separate agenda at work eh

 

[BigMoaner]

A wasted life makes for waste, not tragedy. This 'man' was a first class loser/tosser who took out his own miserable failings and inadequacies on other people. As is always the way with these type of individuals. He won't be mourned, he won't be missed. Nor should he.

RIP to the innocent victims.

The world doesn't owe incels anything. The world has done nothing wrong.

Shave off the fucking neck beard. Take up some sports. Develop some interests. Stop seeing woman as the root of all evil. People don't like you for a reason - find it, then you might be able to change.

They haven't got their head around the idea that if people tend to hate you, maybe it's something within you, rather than anything else.

 

[two sheds]

Shave off the fucking neck beard.

Is that universal instruction for men?

I've had a few instructions to "Get your hair cut" in my time, too.

 

[BigMoaner]

"I know it's a movie, but, you know, I like to think sometimes I'm a Terminator or something and despite reaching almost total system failure, he keeps trying to accomplish his mission.”

Davison earlier claims that “most people would have been completely, utterly broken if they had lived my f****** life”.