Saudi gang rape victim sentenced to lashes and prison

[ViolentPanda]

why in the west is it customary for the wife to take the husbands surname?

You've answered your own question; it's customary. It's not a legal requirement, though.

 

[ViolentPanda]

His understanding of the Qu'ran is full of gaps.

He claims to be a convert.

 

[ViolentPanda]

I've never understood how this makes everything alright.

The premise is that the Muslim accepts Sharia, although the fact that not all states that are majority Muslim allow Sharia speaks for itself.

 

[ViolentPanda]

I wonder how many of the above posters have actually managed to stay on topic rather than engage in puerile name-calling and cheap point-scoring?

Rosie is bitter, and it's all the fault of West Ham United Football Club.

 

[_angel_]

The premise is that the Muslim accepts Sharia, although the fact that not all states that are majority Muslim allow Sharia speaks for itself.

So you can choose not to accept it?? Ie choose not to be stoned to death for adultery (in theory)

 

[invisibleplanet]

Where does it say in Al Qu'ran that adulterers should be stoned to death, _angel_?

 

[Aldebaran]

The premise is that the Muslim accepts Sharia, although the fact that not all states that are majority Muslim allow Sharia speaks for itself.

mmm... No. The condition is that following the stipulations of a country's constitution, as-shari'a is part of or ruling the country's jurisdiction.

salaam.

 

[Aldebaran]

He claims to be a convert.

Reason enough for him to tone it down a bit. He has no clue and acts as if he knows it all.

salaam.

 

[Aldebaran]

Nonsense. Honor killings are more often than not premeditated crimes carried out by more than one individual and generally with the knowledge of more than one family member/friend. To compare it against acts of domestic violence is specious to say the least.

Honour killings happen in societies all over the world. It isn't always the women who are victims. (hint1: Maffia. Hint2: blood- & other feuds)

It is however a fact that in Islam just like it is the case in any other religion ancient ideas and traditions can get that much intertwined with religious thinking and -practice that some people even believe this type of vengeance has a religious foundation. (Needless to say they wouldn't know how to defend that but that doesn't make it a lesser problem.)

salaam.

 

[Fuchs66]

Reason enough for him to tone it down a bit. He has no clue and acts as if he knows it all.

salaam.

but isn't it often the case that converts are the most radical? Almost as if they're making up for lost time

 

[Aldebaran]

but isn't it often the case that converts are the most radical? Almost as if they're making up for lost time

I don't think the word "often" would be correct, but yes, it is sometimes a risk especially with people coming from a period of instability and disorder and get caught by a Radical group or movement.

salaam.

 

[Grandma Death]

Honour killings happen in societies all over the world. It isn't always the women who are victims. (hint1: Maffia. Hint2: blood- & other feuds)

It is however a fact that in Islam just like it is the case in any other religion ancient ideas and traditions can get that much intertwined with religious thinking and -practice that some people even believe this type of vengeance has a religious foundation. (Needless to say they wouldn't know how to defend that but that doesn't make it a lesser problem.)

salaam.

Totally agree with this post. Ive never been one to equate islam with honor killings.

 

[_angel_]

Where does it say in Al Qu'ran that adulterers should be stoned to death, _angel_?

Have no adulterers/resses ever been stoned to death tho?

Do you agree with this?

I am not talking about anything that is stated in the qu'ran, just what it is actually happening.

 

[MikeMcc]

Where does it say in Al Qu'ran that adulterers should be stoned to death, _angel_?

I did find this interpretation, it's in Ch4 and refers to 'missing' verses.

http://www.answering-islam.org/Gilchrist/Jam/index.html

and this on

http://www.islamicperspectives.com/StoningIntro.htm

 

[CyberRose]

Rosie is bitter, and it's all the fault of West Ham United Football Club.

We'll have our revenge in two weeks time!!!

 

[nino_savatte]

He claims to be a convert.

Hmmmm <rubs chin>.

 

[nino_savatte]

Rosie is bitter, and it's all the fault of West Ham United Football Club.

I'd noticed. Come on, you Hammers!

 

[fattboy]

Have no adulterers/resses ever been stoned to death tho?

Do you agree with this?

I am not talking about anything that is stated in the qu'ran, just what it is actually happening.

we believe in sharia law, never heard of Qur'anic law, anyone?

 

[fattboy]

It hasn't always been that way.

it is now, and has been for a long time.

 

[fattboy]

His understanding of the Qu'ran is full of gaps.

without a doubt, but i think i understand it better than most ppl here to be honest.

 

[_angel_]

we believe in sharia law, never heard of Qur'anic law, anyone?

I never mentioned the Qu'ran actually.

 

[fattboy]

You've answered your own question; it's customary. It's not a legal requirement, though.

why is it customary

 

[fattboy]

The premise is that the Muslim accepts Sharia, although the fact that not all states that are majority Muslim allow Sharia speaks for itself.

what does it say?

 

[fattboy]

Where does it say in Al Qu'ran that adulterers should be stoned to death, _angel_?

u know sharia law consists of more than just the Qur'an, dont u

 

[fattboy]

Reason enough for him to tone it down a bit. He has no clue and acts as if he knows it all.

salaam.

if u really are a scholar ur the worst mannered one ive ever encountered

ever heard of adab

 

[Orang Utan]

if u really are a scholar ur the worst mannered one ive ever encountered

ever heard of adab

You're not sending a text, you know?

 

[fattboy]

I never mentioned the Qu'ran actually.

what im saying is we derive our rulings from the ahadith as well as the Qur'an, this is the sharia, Qur'an and ahadith

 

[_angel_]

what im saying is we derive our rulings from the ahadith as well as the Qur'an, this is the sharia, Qur'an and ahadith

I am merely objecting to some of the laws not getting into a nit picking exercise in semantics of what it says in the Qu'ran.

 

[fattboy]

I am merely objecting to some of the laws not getting into a nit picking exercise in semantics of what it says in the Qu'ran.

fair enough.
uve been conditioned to a certain set of values and way of thinking and that can take a lot to get past, but if ones sincere they will.

 

[invisibleplanet]

I am merely objecting to some of the laws not getting into a nit picking exercise in semantics of what it says in the Qu'ran.

I object to Hudud too.