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Saudi gang rape victim sentenced to lashes and prison

cos i googled it and some results came back with excerpts from Genesis but i couldnt find the text i searched, im not familiar with the Hebrew.
 
20. And man named all the cattle and the fowl of the heavens and all the beasts of the field, but for man, he did not find a helpmate opposite him.
21. And the Lord God caused a deep sleep to fall upon man, and he slept, and He took one of his sides, and He closed the flesh in its place.
22. And the Lord God built the side that He had taken from man into a woman, and He brought her to man.
23. And man said, "This time, it is bone of my bones and flesh of my flesh. This one shall be called ishah (woman) because this one was taken from ish (man)."
24. Therefore, a man shall leave his father and his mother, and cleave to his wife, and they shall become one flesh.
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fattboy said:
in Islam men have a lot of responsibility, a lot more than women.
men have a role of mantaining women, responsible 4 their protection and maintenance because this is in harmony with our make up..
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Mohammad married a nine-year old. He must have liked protecting young ladies.

So what does Allah want done with gay people? As a man do I protect them or kill them?
 
chazegee said:
Barbaric. Did the Anglo-Saxons even get up to that sort of rubbish?
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There was nowt barbaric about the Anglo-Saxons, they created the most efficient state in Europe and an impressive vernacular literature and architecture. The Normans however....
 
fela fan said:
The ruling elite in saudi arabia are clearly some of the most barbaric humans treading our earth. And they're allies of US and UK...
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They could only establish and can only sustain their Radical sectarian rule, spread its ideology world wide to poisen Muslim minds with it because of the Western umbrella they can oprate under.

I didn't read all of this thread (I don't know the case and secondly it isn't difficult to imagine the comments) but anyone who thinks that everyone in Saudi Arabia would agree with cases like this is delusional.

salaam.
 
fattboy said:
the woman wasnt sentenced 2 be lashed for being raped, she was sentenced 4 being alone with a man she wasnt related 2,which is an offence in the sharia, the men 'involved' were also sentenced 2 be lashed.
there was absolutely no proof she was raped, and she was seeing another man behind her husbands back, she didnt allege 2 have been raped till 3 months after it was supposed 2 have happened, after the men reported her 4 being with the other man.
nice girl eh.
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You know nothing about the case at all, you prove to be just as ignorant about Shari'a law and you are not even properly informed about Islam.
I would suggest you not to speak with arrogance and before your time.

salaam.
 
ViolentPanda said:
Actually the presumption of innocence only properly applies to those being judged if they are of the faithful. :)
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Only Muslims can be judged under Sharia law (one of the reasons the dhimmi could always sustain their own jurisdiction.)

salaam.
 
chazegee said:
Barbaric
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By today's standards, it's not an acceptable custom anymore, no.
chazegee said:
Did the Anglo-Saxons even get up to that sort of rubbish?
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Yes, afaik, they betrothed at a very young age, and married girl-children from 9 upwards. I'm sure something's been written about that here before. I might have a search for it later.
 
Aldebaran said:
Only Muslims can be judged under Sharia law (one of the reasons the dhimmi could always sustain their own jurisdiction.)

salaam.
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Panda knows that, but it's always worth saying again, imo.
 
invisibleplanet said:
By today's standards, it's not an acceptable custom anymore, no.

Yes, afaik, they betrothed at a very young age, and married girl-children from 9 upwards. I'm sure something's been written about that here before. I might have a search for it later.
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I'm more worried about the beatings/stonings than the Bill Whymanings to be fair.
 
invisibleplanet said:
"Honor killings" occur in all cultures, even in European 'cultures'. One example of 'honor killing' in European culture is when a man kills (manslaughters) his wife/girlfriend for 'disrespecting him' - we call that 'domestic violence/manslaughter/murder' - another is the type of killing that goes on between rival gangs of youths/young adults - we call that 'murder'.
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Nonsense. Honor killings are more often than not premeditated crimes carried out by more than one individual and generally with the knowledge of more than one family member/friend. To compare it against acts of domestic violence is specious to say the least.
 
Grandma Death said:
Nonsense. Honor killings are more often than not premeditated crimes carried out by more than one individual and generally with the knowledge of more than one family member/friend. To compare it against acts of domestic violence is specious to say the least.
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Even though many "honour killings" are, at base, founded in domestic violence?
 
Male power, male domination - women (wife, daughters) are treated as chattel.

I'm not certain that "more often than not" these crimes are premeditated in a different way than repeated domestic violence is carried out, nor could I say that it's "more often than not" that these crimes have "more than one family/friend" as accomplices (any more than say, a mother might be aware of a father's domestic violence against their children, or children or mother's family being aware of domestic violence from father to mother).

I remain unconvinced that what I said is complete 'nonsense' as yet, GrandmaDeath! I'm not sure as to where to get stats from for since domestic violence seems to be a hidden crime and we only get to know about it when the police/social services are involved.
 
ViolentPanda said:
Even though many "honour killings" are, at base, founded in domestic violence?
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Wouldn't disagree with that at all VP-I could've worded my post better-I meant DV as we know it as opposed DV within the context of an honor killing.

There are some similarities but arguably one is more a crime of passion in the heat of the moment as opposed to a premeditated murder with several people involved or having knowledge of the act.
 
invisibleplanet said:
Male power, male domination - women (wife, daughters) are treated as chattel.

I'm not certain that "more often than not" these crimes are premeditated in a different way than repeated domestic violence is carried out, nor could I say that it's "more often than not" that these crimes have "more than one family/friend" as accomplices (any more than say, a mother might be aware of a father's domestic violence against their children, or children or mother's family being aware of domestic violence from father to mother).

I remain unconvinced that what I said is complete 'nonsense' as yet, GrandmaDeath! I'm not sure as to where to get stats from for since domestic violence seems to be a hidden crime and we only get to know about it when the police/social services are involved.
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Maybe nonsense is the wrong word to use. However being aware of DV is not quite the same as actually taking part in a pre meditated murder or even being aware of the murder that is being/to be carried out.

Most people aware of DV within the family unit wouldn't allow or even take part in murder. However within the context of an honor killing some of the family may often take part or have knowledge about the murder and are complicit in that act-all in the name of honor.
 
I watched Part Two very late last night - worth a watch, yes, and both One and Two are still available to watch on the BBC iplayer (see linky). Sensitively presented.
 
invisibleplanet said:
I watched Part Two very late last night - worth a watch, yes, and both One and Two are still available to watch on the BBC iplayer (see linky). Sensitively presented.
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Will check it out. Thanks :)
 
RenegadeDog said:
Why? The syntax is very similar to a lot of poorly educated British muslims I've seen posting on boards.
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Because muslims can't be nasty idiots, they're perfect creatures in every respect.
 
Aldebaran said:
Only Muslims can be judged under Sharia law (one of the reasons the dhimmi could always sustain their own jurisdiction.)

salaam.
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I've never understood how this makes everything alright. :confused:
 
I wonder how many of the above posters have actually managed to stay on topic rather than engage in puerile name-calling and cheap point-scoring? :D
 
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