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fattboy said:
why in the west is it customary for the wife to take the husbands surname?
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etc.. etc...

Why don't you try to acquire a broader knowledge about what you call "the West" instead of wasting time on posting proof of your ignorance?

Why don't you try to deepen your knowledge on Islam instead of wasting time on posting more proof of your ignorance(and rudeness and stubborness)?

Why don't you start learning Arabic instead of using Arabic words you do not understand?

Why did you start posting on this board spreading more rubbish and nonsense and bad impressions about Islam and Muslisms than any tabloid in the UK could in such a short time?

And in case you are truly a Muslim, keep yourself far away from the Radical nonsense you spouted thusfar and open your heart and mind for the beauty of the religion you claimed to have embraced.
There is no one here more willing to guide you than I am, but on the other hand I shall not keep silent whenever I come across your misguided Radical posts. You should be grateful instead of reacting with arrogance.

salaam.
 
thanks, but u wont even say who u studied under, why the secrecy, uve got no credibility as a scholar when u wont say who uve taken from.

and how do u expect me to take a naseeha of someone that tells them to take their ilm from non muslims.

wa aleikum salaam
 
Aldebaran said:
etc.. etc...

Why don't you try to acquire a broader knowledge about what you call "the West" instead of wasting time on posting proof of your ignorance?

Why don't you try to deepen your knowledge on Islam instead of wasting time on posting more proof of your ignorance(and rudeness and stubborness)?

Why don't you start learning Arabic instead of using Arabic words you do not understand?

Why did you start posting on this board spreading more rubbish and nonsense and bad impressions about Islam and Muslisms than any tabloid in the UK could in such a short time?

And in case you are truly a Muslim, keep yourself far away from the Radical nonsense you spouted thusfar and open your heart and mind for the beauty of the religion you claimed to have embraced.

There is no one here more willing to guide you than I am, but on the other hand I shall not keep silent whenever I come across your misguided Radical posts. You should be grateful instead of reacting with arrogance.

salaam.
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^ What he said.
 
fattboy said:
thanks, but u wont even say who u studied under, why the secrecy, uve got no credibility as a scholar when u wont say who uve taken from.

and how do u expect me to take a naseeha of someone that tells them to take their ilm from non muslims.

wa aleikum salaam
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u rly thnk tht?

shlm 'lchm
 
fattboy said:
thanks, but u wont even say who u studied under, why the secrecy, uve got no credibility as a scholar when u wont say who uve taken from.

and how do u expect me to take a naseeha of someone that tells them to take their ilm from non muslims.

wa aleikum salaam
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I do not reveil my identity on a medium like this one and most certainly not because of the childish wishes of someone in the UK claiming to be Muslim while it is clear as cristal he prefers to visit obscure websites and hence has no intention to study anything but what is of his liking.

If I give you the advice to read posts of members more informed on Islam than you are, it doesn't matter if they are Muslims or not.
I studied Islam both in the Middle East and Europe. Many of my teachers at one of EU universities were Catholic and one of them was a Catholic priest. He not only teaches Islam in Europe, he has a position at an interfaith dedicated insitution in Caïro where Muslims and non Muslims both attend his classes.

If you think that being Muslim means you are too good to take lessons from non Muslims you are even more misguided than I already think you are.

salaam.
 
invisibleplanet said:
u rly thnk tht?

shlm 'lchm
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ilm aint something u can learn from a book, u gotta sit with a scholar, anyone who wont say where or who they sat with obviously cant be trusted to take from, no true scholar would refuse to divulge because the chain of scholars from his teacher back to the times of the salaf and the Prophet pbuh himself is what guarantees the truth of what their on and only when their scholar allows them to go and teach others can they do so so im just not getting Alderbaran at all.

wa aleikum salaam
 
invisibleplanet said:
Your parents were non-muslim. How's your relationship with them, fattboy?
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sweet as:)
they know im a better muslim than i ever was a christian, im very close with all my family, live just round the corner see em pretty much every day, familys important.
 
fattboy said:
no true scholar would refuse to divulge because the chain of scholars from his teacher back to the times of the salaf and the Prophet pbuh himself is what guarantees the truth of what their on and only when their scholar allows them to go and teach others can they do so so im just not getting Alderbaran at all.
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We are not in a madrassa or today's university and besides that you are talking nonsense in the sense that the wildgrow of so called "scholars" diluted and dilutes the genuinity of the teachings that much, that whatever you read on your preferred Radical websites is as genuinely rooted in Islam's scholarship as my dog's barking is.
I had the most famous scholars teaching me since I was a child and was academically qualified at an age other children go to primary school.

If you think that a few months attending Radical lectures in your local mosque is going to give you all it takes to be qualified yourself... You are truly one misled person. I suggest you try to enroll for Al Azhar and see where you stand in ten years from now.

salaam.
 
fattboy said:
thanks, but u wont even say who u studied under, why the secrecy, uve got no credibility as a scholar when u wont say who uve taken from.

and how do u expect me to take a naseeha of someone that tells them to take their ilm from non muslims.

wa aleikum salaam
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Sorry, where did you say that you studied. I take it that they accept text-speak even when quoting from the Qur'an in the manner that you have?

Alderbaran has a track record on this forum of speaking with authority about Islamic issues. I can't say that I agree with all of the issues, but I certainly can't fault him on his facts.

On the other hand, you come across as either a belligerent youth with a flawed understanding of Islam or someone posing as a muslim to try and stir up hatred.
 
fattboy said:
ilm aint something u can learn from a book, u gotta sit with a scholar, anyone who wont say where or who they sat with obviously cant be trusted to take from, no true scholar would refuse to divulge because the chain of scholars from his teacher back to the times of the salaf and the Prophet pbuh himself is what guarantees the truth of what their on and only when their scholar allows them to go and teach others can they do so so im just not getting Alderbaran at all.

wa aleikum salaam
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How can anybody take you seriously when it took three readings to realise your first word was Islam and not something related to "I'm" or "I", and this is from somebody who supposedly wants 'us' to take Islam more seriously. Grow up.
 
Maybe, Orang Utan, it's been known to happen.

Aiui, the mpacuk Forums were targetted by some right-wing UK nationalists (BNP) and some right-wing US Christians who were all posing as Muslims, and then right-wing bloggers elsewhere would quote these viewpoints and claim they were typical of British Muslim. Through the concerted effort by mpacuk forums moderators and respected activists, the majority have been weeded out, and any that might remain are challenged, but some had been masquerading for over 12 months and were difficult to eliminate. There are some very eloquent British Muslims there. Perhaps our 'fattboy' is one of the ejected ones searching for new pastures to pollute.

mpac uk forum is made up of British Muslim Activists - one of the forum's main themes is promoting the greater involvement of women in mosques and provision of female facilities as well as non-violent political struggle.
 
fattboy said:
ilm aint something u can learn from a book, u gotta sit with a scholar, anyone who wont say where or who they sat with obviously cant be trusted to take from, no true scholar would refuse to divulge because the chain of scholars from his teacher back to the times of the salaf and the Prophet pbuh himself is what guarantees the truth of what their on and only when their scholar allows them to go and teach others can they do so so im just not getting Alderbaran at all.

wa aleikum salaam
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This is a classic religious cover-up technique.

Claiming religious texts can only be understood by scholars and under no account should ordinary people attempt to read and come to their own conclusions about the Koran/Bible.
 
rover07 said:
This is a classic religious cover-up technique.

Claiming religious texts can only be understood by scholars and under no account should ordinary people attempt to read and come to their own conclusions about the Koran/Bible.
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Which also highlights the point that there is a relationship between illiteracy and honour killings. The lack of understanding allows such ridiculous views to flourish
 
nino_savatte said:
His understanding of the Qu'ran is full of gaps.
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He is for real. to be honest i don't understand why people don't want to think that some muslims have these sorts of opinions. im not islamophobic but it's fucking naive to say that there aren't any people out there who don't really believe this kind of stuff.
I've met them.

knowing that some people in the orthodox jewish community have contemptous attitudes towards women and gentiles doesn't make you an anti-semite. it just means you have some common sense and aren't willing to close your eyes to things just because it's not politically correct to do so. Its only anti-semitic when you start making offensive generalisations and say that everyone thinks the same when they don't, and start making up things that aren't true.

i converted to judaism and i don't pretend to know absolutely everything about the torah and the talmud or what every single rabbi says about it. not everyone does. I have been on "radical" muslim forums where they repeated pretty much word for word the kind of stuff that he's saying about the koran, the stuff about how it's badly translated and how no translation of it can ever be perfect, the stuff about beating women with toothbrushes and how men have a duty to protect women by making them cover up, and how men are affected by radiation coming from women's hair. its absolutely insane, stuff you wouldnt fucking believe if you'd never seen it.

it's possible he's fash and it wouldn't surprise me because it has been known for them to do that and there are some very bizarre cases out there of fash that have put on an act of pretending to be jews or muslims and behaving in the most arrogant and despicable manner possible in order to smear people but i think he's more likely he is what he says he is.
 
recently we had a christian fundie appear on this board saying that Mahmoud Abbas was the beast of revalations and gave a load of really dodgy reasons for saying so.

absolutely nobody doubted that he was christian or suggested that he was a jihadist trying to give chrisitans a bad name, and he displayed even less of a sound knowledge of christianity than this guy does of islam.
 
MikeMcc said:
How can anybody take you seriously when it took three readings to realise your first word was Islam and not something related to "I'm" or "I", and this is from somebody who supposedly wants 'us' to take Islam more seriously. Grow up.
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its ilm, its arabic- it means knowledge;)
 
frogwoman said:
He is for real. to be honest i don't understand why people don't want to think that some muslims have these sorts of opinions. im not islamophobic but it's fucking naive to say that there aren't any people out there who don't really believe this kind of stuff.
I've met them.
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It's a ridiculous orientalist idealisation that a fair few people around the soft-left have for some reason. It's almost like a middle calss guilt reflex i think. Politically it's very very dangerous and counter-productive.
 
I've pretended to be a nazi loads of times on nazi websites, to have a laugh and see how many of the scum would be stupid enough to believe me.

I know for a fact Im not the only one who has done that

it doesn't mean that nazis are all a bunch of anti fash doing it as a joke and all the people in the bnp are just in it for the lolz does it?? you'd have to be fucking stupid to believe that
 
Suppose it's a fair point but I don't think anyone's stupid enough to think that these "kind" of Muslims don't exist, it's just that people find it difficult to understand why that "kind" of Muslim would be posting on U75...

When you went on Nazi sites, you pretended to be a Nazi, so that isn't actually the same as coming on here and pretending to be Muslim cos if you wanted to have a joke and lead people on you'd pretend to be left-wing...
 
frogwoman said:
He is for real. to be honest i don't understand why people don't want to think that some muslims have these sorts of opinions. .
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But some of us on this thread (who aren't Muslim) seem to know more about Islam than he does.

This is what I find so odd.
 
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