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[Sat 28th Oct 2017] London Anarchist Bookfair (London)

in the post here quoted ^ you say that you believe calling the police justified 'when the situation is dire, and there seems to be an imminent threat of physical violence, or physical violence is actually occurring'. above, in post 1335, you say which is a rather lower bar. which of these two do you actually believe?
Well "refusal to move on" implies that all attempts of nicely persuading them to leave have been exhausted, so the chances are that things will have escalated to a situation where physical violence (or at least a precieved threat of it) is imminent.

i don't think you're mentally deficient, nor have i said, suggested, implied or in any other way made you out to be mentally deficient. it's an outright lie.
You should think about whether you've a clue
hasn't really thought matters through
go to specsavers.
Also you do like to tell me what I do and don't know.
 
Also you do like to tell me what I do and don't know.
none of which suggest you're mentally deficient. go to specsavers to do with mental capacity? i think not: especially when you say you couldn't see the post i referred to. and if you haven't really thought matters through that means you haven't, not you can't. as for having a clue, once more nothing to do with mental capacity and all to do with your knowledge of the subject you comment on.
 
no, people do not have the *right* to be treated with respect and decency. it's what people ought to do, but that doesn't make it a right. people ought to leave toilets the way they would like to find them, for example, but it's not a right to find a clean lav. you just don't know what a right is.
Okay, quit nit-picking, I am aware it's not a "right" in the sense the Universal Deceleration of Human Rights, although having said that, this happens to be Article 1:

All human beings are born free and equal in dignity and rights. They are endowed with reason and conscience and should act towards one another in a spirit of brotherhood.

Also Articles 7, 8, 10 are worth bearing in mind in regards to how to treat one's enemies:

All are equal before the law and are entitled without any discrimination to equal protection of the law. All are entitled to equal protection against any discrimination in violation of this Declaration and against any incitement to such discrimination.
Everyone has the right to an effective remedy by the competent national tribunals for acts violating the fundamental rights granted him by the constitution or by law.
Everyone is entitled in full equality to a fair and public hearing by an independent and impartial tribunal, in the determination of his rights and obligations and of any criminal charge against him.
 
Okay, quit nit-picking, I am aware it's not a "right" in the sense the Universal Deceleration of Human Rights, although having said that, this happens to be Article 1:



Also Articles 7, 8, 10 are worth bearing in mind in regards to how to treat one's enemies:
declaration. it neither speeds up nor slows down. the udhr may lay that down but there's still not right not to be venemously abused.
 
Best option is probably to sit this year out and then see if an expanded collective is possible for 2019?

I think a lot of people (like me) who loved the Bookfair but took the organising of it for granted would lend a hand.
Yeh too late to do anything much this year plus I suspect any event this year would be seen by some people as an opportunity to continue last year's debacle
 
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Was also wondering what, if anything, was going on with any London Anarchist Bookfair alternatives this year. It's a bit of a poisoned chalice though if anyone does take it on, can't imagine they won't get it in the neck in some way or another.
 
Was also wondering what, if anything, was going on with any London Anarchist Bookfair alternatives this year. It's a bit of a poisoned chalice though if anyone does take it on, can't imagine they won't get it in the neck in some way or another.
they'll be lucky if they only get it in the neck

i'm up for helping with finding a decent pub near any venue.

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There's a bunch happening through the course of the year:

Anarchist Bookfairs in 2018
Be interesting to see to what extent the 'trans v terfs' battle plays out - or doesn't - in these venues. I think it will also be interesting if/when the London event runs again how the organisers approach the issue. I get the impression over the years there have been a few exclusions - conspiraloons, weird sects on the pavement outside, but haven't table/room bookings been pretty much open to anyone who self defines as anarco-ish? Would organisers be forced to come up with statements limiting the groups who can book? Would there be pre-negotiations between groups to avoid similar battles?

None of that is put forward as a 'solution'. Quite the opposite in fact - I can't really see how any kind of 'planning' could stop these toxic battles happening again. :( All very sad really, makes you appreciate the efforts the organisers have put in over the years.
 
Be interesting to see to what extent the 'trans v terfs' battle plays out - or doesn't - in these venues. I think it will also be interesting if/when the London event runs again how the organisers approach the issue. I get the impression over the years there have been a few exclusions - conspiraloons, weird sects on the pavement outside, but haven't table/room bookings been pretty much open to anyone who self defines as anarco-ish? Would organisers be forced to come up with statements limiting the groups who can book? Would there be pre-negotiations between groups to avoid similar battles?

None of that is put forward as a 'solution'. Quite the opposite in fact - I can't really see how any kind of 'planning' could stop these toxic battles happening again. :( All very sad really, makes you appreciate the efforts the organisers have put in over the years.
given what happened at millwall i suppose there'll be lot more er 'debate' on this issue to come.
 
Be interesting to see to what extent the 'trans v terfs' battle plays out - or doesn't - in these venues.

You're assuming it didn't last year, to a greater or lesser extent. And there's been fights and feuds playing out through public events in the anarchist scene since the 19th century, including fistfights at the London event almost every year. All this isn't nearly as special as people seem to think.
 
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