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[Sat 28th Oct 2017] London Anarchist Bookfair (London)

What is it about this faultline (“terfs” v trans rights activists ) that makes it so powerfully devisive that everything around it gets trashed? Or is it just a symptom of the time where people can’t debate rationally anymore and disagreement is seen as personal attack.
 
Yes there’s lots of people on here you’re not fond of.

But perhaps you can open up about those feelings on another thread.

Might also be worth you reflecting on why you get the same comments from different posters too.


Uff. Is that it? There are far more that I appreciate and am fond of. So there you go. Good Shit try. :cool:
 
You’ve got this obsession with people trying to belittle you Rutita1 . It’s a bit odd. I just have a problem with your habit of speaking for some imaginary ‘us’, which you do quite a lot.

I have no such obsession princess but you crack on thinking you are having an impact and winning around here. Dare I say it's odd? :)

The 'us' I referred to in my post to MM is obvious to those of us that he has sneered and pointed at recently.

You keep at this though.
 
Of course it makes sense. You are far too nerrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr I don't like them anymore to see how ridiculous your post is. You have been telling others off like your shit don't stink for a good while now... Please do tell us all why you are so fabulous and others are so shit.

This isn’t the general forum.
 
I have no such obsession princess but you crack on thinking you are having an impact and winning around here. :)

The 'us' I referred to in my post to MM is obvious to those of us that he has sneered and pointed at recently.

You keep at this though.

Princess?
 
When I began to read Freedom's statement, I thought they were going to say that they'd organise an anarchist bookfair in london next year :eek:

I wonder if anyone is going to get one together? It's a massive undertaking to do anything approaching the usual scale, something I think lots of people are clueless about. It'd be pretty easy to have a shit small one though.

Seriously can you lot with this bollocks personal shit fuck off and do it somewhere else? It's fucking embarrassing and disruptive to a sensible discussion.
 
I wonder if anyone is going to get one together? It's a massive undertaking to do anything approaching the usual scale, something I think lots of people are clueless about. It'd be pretty easy to have a shit small one though.
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I imagine a few events are watching and wondering what this means for them.
 
As far as the Freedom statement goes....

Tbh I was disappointed to see them rush straight into the condemnflation that seems all pervasive these days.

Like whenever there’s a terrorist attack all we see is a queue of people trying to condemn it more strongly than the person before them. Analysis and discussion is lost behind this moral grandstanding.

...and so it seems with the bookfair debacle.

Beyond that, I was also disappointed to see how much the language/tone/vocabulary being used echoes that of the current social media based activism.

But I s’pose that’s the audience the statement is written for.
 
well, i guess anyone who does organize one next year is gonna have to be as clear as they possibly can how to best manage this sort of conflict, i don't particularly envy them that
 
When I began to read Freedom's statement, I thought they were going to say that they'd organise an anarchist bookfair in london next year :eek:

It's more than a bit of a poison chalice now though....

It reads as half written to me. Like someone set out with full and clear intentions and then thought...'that'll do..'

Those leaflets were awful/piss poor however the response to those and other tactics need discussing IMO.

It's all out anarchy and 'by any means necessary' meaning violence as a means of protest and no platforming or it isn't.
 
It would be a shame not to have a bookfair in 2018 but I think anyone that takes it on is going to have to deal with a lot more than simply organising the event and dealing with the criticisms of the various open letter writers.... Might it be seen as a bit of a betrayal by the bookfair collective also?
 
As far as the Freedom statement goes....

Tbh I was disappointed to see them rush straight into the condemnflation that seems all pervasive these days.

Like whenever there’s a terrorist attack all we see is a queue of people trying to condemn it more strongly than the person before them. Analysis and discussion is lost behind this moral grandstanding.

...and so it seems with the bookfair debacle.

Beyond that, I was also disappointed to see how much the language/tone/vocabulary being used echoes that of the current social media based activism.

But I s’pose that’s the audience the statement is written for.

The future is a passive aggressive Facebook post stamping on a human face. Forever.
 
What we need is for the state and police to sort it. Because that’s who’s sorting the trans vs terfs debate on both of their terms, isn’t it?

Well the ‘terfs’ aren’t generally anarchists; and expecting police to ‘sort out’ harassment and assault is, er, quite normal.

I’m not sure what your point is.
 
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