Oh, I see. My strength of feeling comes from years and years and years, from my earliest years, of fighting sex-based oppression. Of welcoming and benefiting from some of the gains we have made for women. An absolute determination not to see the protections we fought for whipped away from us if the GRA is ratified, alongside the proposals for the UK census, both of which could undermine the accuracy of data on inequalities experienced by female-born women. Sorry if I'm not expressing it well.
[Sat 28th Oct 2017] London Anarchist Bookfair (London)
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Oh, I see. My strength of feeling comes from years and years and years, from my earliest years, of fighting sex-based oppression. Of welcoming and benefiting from some of the gains we have made for women. An absolute determination not to see the protections we fought for whipped away from us if the GRA is ratified, alongside the proposals for the UK census, both of which could undermine the accuracy of data on inequalities experienced by female-born women. Sorry if I'm not expressing it well.
Treacle Toes
Time
FWIW during my lunch break today I tried to find some...almost everything I found was about sexual abuse and assault/murder of transwomen. It is on the rise too.
I did though come across an article that said there have been 27 reported cases since 1999 where transwomen were accused of sexual assault or abuse. I couldn't find where this statistic came from however, nor much evidence to support it. I think it was a huffington post article
The GRA amendments have not even been written let alone ratified and no-one including you and quite possibly including the government has any idea what is likely to be in it other than some change in the procedure for obtaining a gender recognition signature and introducing a new gender neutral category.
Have you given up on the links you promised?
No, I'm working at the same time. You timing me or summat?
None of those examples bar the person with a penis who demanded the right to be naked in a changing room used by young girls was convicted of a crime that took place in a womans space - except the first one, who wasn't really transgender. So your claims of "sexually predatory exploitation of safe spaces by transwomen" remains unsubstantiated.
It would be statistically astonishing if no-one transgender had ever been convicted of a sexual offence. Lots of non transgender women have been convicted of sex offences after all.
Which of those examples involved someone transsexual being convicted of a sexual crime that took place in a woman's safe space?
It's awfully handy that someone has gone to the trouble of compiling a page listing all the reported sexual crimes they could find that have been committed by transwoman. I wonder what type of website might do something similar except using muslims, or gay men. And what their agenda might be for doing it.
gamerunknown
Well-Known Member
But surely sex based oppression is independent from gender assignment?
I agree that gender is foisted on people in a patriarchal hierarchical system. But by claiming that certain people will ineluctably be part of an oppressor class due to their biology, any potential for vindicating ourselves from that society is nullified. The patriarchy becomes indomitable. If it is extant society which causes such relations between sexes, then altering society becomes possible and we can discuss the means to do so - such as having a social revolution. Then we can take stock of our surroundings and assess which people will be likely to assist us and which not in such a scenario. Strict demarcations of acceptable behaviours for people based on the sex they were born into seems to be a reactionary position to me.
I agree with the author of the article that claiming one's brain results in a given "gender" does nothing to foster emancipatory politics. But I also feel that there are lacunae in the view on several counts. First of all, there are various ways in which male sexuality is chaperoned to a greater extent than females. Trans women receive more abuse than cis women (or to my knowledge, trans men, though this could be because of a very small sample size). I believe this is a combination of their sex and gender. Gay and bisexual men are also more likely to be raped or physically attacked than straight men. In fact, trans people are more likely to be at risk of sexual violence than cis, so the article including the tidbit of never experiencing the feeling of "being too weak to fight back" is a little myopic.
Although, the one comment by the author discussing "transracial" identity is incendiary. I can't think of any reason for embracing trans people while stigmatising cultural appropriation. I know it's a position to be excoriated for, but I'm tortured by the thought of a logically consistent approach.
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Athos
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Equally, you don't know the detail. But, even if it is 'just' what you suggest, you don't seem to acknowledge what that might mean. If the 'change in procedure' is to de-medicalise it, such that gender becomes legally defined by self-identification alone, that's a radical change. It would redefine womanhood; no longer would a woman be a adult female human (with a few well-defined exceptions); instead, it would be anyone who says they're a woman. I can't tell whether you fail to see the significance of that for all women, or whether your downplaying of it is disingenuous.
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LDC
On est tous des pangolins
This is quite one of the shittest, out of order, and most pathetic things I've ever seen in the 'movement'...
(Short video of some pricks burning an Anarchist Bookfair banner in 'protest' at events of the weekend.)
A close long term anarchist friend of mine last night told me if it came to pinning colours to the mast, she'd pin hers to the 'TERFs' side. I disagreed and said that was both not needed and also not OK.
Watching this video makes me think she might have a point. When you find yourself burning the same banners as fascists it might be time to seriously reflect on your politics. Seriously, what fucking (...insert insult of choice here...). FFS.
(Short video of some pricks burning an Anarchist Bookfair banner in 'protest' at events of the weekend.)
A close long term anarchist friend of mine last night told me if it came to pinning colours to the mast, she'd pin hers to the 'TERFs' side. I disagreed and said that was both not needed and also not OK.
Watching this video makes me think she might have a point. When you find yourself burning the same banners as fascists it might be time to seriously reflect on your politics. Seriously, what fucking (...insert insult of choice here...). FFS.
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Treacle Toes
Time
One of those jackets is very familiar...seen before on another video on this thread. It's the same twits doing this isn't it?
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
yeh. not sure children would do that, they're always being told never to play with fire. it would be nice if people didn't describe people they abominate as children. there are so many better insults out there.
LDC
On est tous des pangolins
I'd like to think that the number of anarchists who'd burn an anarchist bookfair banner would be very small, so yeah, I guess it most likely is.
I feel really sorry for the Bookfair organisers tbh, it's a really hard job and loads of work, and this must be pretty depressing to be given this much grief. I wouldn't blame them if they just said, 'Fuck it, that's it, we're not doing it again.'
It'd be nice if people would just be a bit more generous of spirit, have a bit of humility, and realize we're (mostly) all a bit flawed and fucked up and have some shit ideas and actions sometimes, rather than jumping to the worst possible conclusions about everyone and everything.
planetgeli
There's no future in England's dreaming
How about imbecilic cunts?
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
works for me
TopCat
Putin fanboy
Wankers
chilango
Hypothetical Wanker
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
why? surely better, from the state's pov, to cause trouble and dissent to prevent the ability to build on the state's troubles.
Fozzie Bear
Well-Known Member
I think Chilango means it is dumb.
LDC
On est tous des pangolins
OK, I guess I meant they're most likely not that bothered at the moment and the dissent would have more impact at other times, but yeah take the point. Give me a break, it's early Pickman's!
sunnysidedown
caput mortuum
monty python meets the young ones.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
from sun tzu's art of war:OK, I guess I meant they're most likely not that bothered at the moment and the dissent would have more impact at other times, but yeah take the point. Give me a break, it's early Pickman's!
23) seems appropriate. not of course that we are united, and we're certainly not taking our ease now.
chilango
Hypothetical Wanker
I meant that there's not much intelligence at work here on "our side" for the state to counter.
Reply thanking them for confirming its accuracy. 
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