butchersapron
Bring back hanging
This will be resolved and then anarchism can go back to it's usual role.
[Sat 28th Oct 2017] London Anarchist Bookfair (London)
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butchersapron
Bring back hanging
FFs, can you get your paws off my leading question - you wally
These are shibboleths. Like having a critique of immigration makes you a racist.
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butchersapron
Bring back hanging
Traditionally there is 2 people in the liverpool group - five at best across the whole of Scotland.
Treacle Toes
Time
Has the behaving like a baiting, arsehole come along with your deliberate name change or were you actually always this boring?
Asking for a friend because I seriously don't give a fuck.
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gamerunknown
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Sure, plenty of working class people would want to end immigration and are happy to support a state which deports people, prevents them from entering it, or deprives them of rights which are only granted to the working class subject as a citizen. I'd say their reasons for doing so are primarily cultural and secondarily to preserve relative advantages in wealthy states in comparison to poor neighbours. However, anarchism has its roots in the international workingmen's association, where it was recognised that capitalism is global and that if it is to be challenged, it's to be challenged based on international networks of working class solidarity. If someone brought leaflets to the bookfair claiming race is a biological fact and that the Immigration Act of 2014 wasn't sufficient protection for indigenous workers, I don't think the response would be hearty acclaim for rigorous debate.
bimble
floofy
It's interesting to see the reaction around Helen Steel, people making it all about who she is because she's liked and respected so she can't as easily be binned beyond the pale for her 'terfism' like Greer and co. I've read every thread about trans stuff on here and tried to educate myself best as I can online but am too scared to try to articulate any opinions or questions about it all. I'm not usually that shy so maybe its indicative of a toxicity in the air where discussion / debate has become difficult for all but a brave few. It costs me nothing at all to call people by the pronouns they prefer so that's easy, but all that amounts to (without being able to understand what someone means when they say they were assigned male at birth but actually they're a woman) is politeness.Politeness without understanding is shaky ground, its not real solidarity.
albionism
A successful virus clinging to a speck of mud.
There's quite a bit of Transphobic crap on her FB page.
Shechemite
Be the sun and all will see you
Such as?
Add to that recent guidance issued by the BMA to medical staff to refer to 'pregnant 'people', not pregnant women.
Then this (apologies for the article source):
Theresa May insists 'pregnant women' term 'acceptable' after Government's transgender request to UN
The FCO submitted a request to the UN that the term 'pregnant people' replace 'pregnant women' so as not to exclude trans-men based on ONE 'specific case'. World gone mad.
albionism
A successful virus clinging to a speck of mud.
Go and have a look. It ain't necessarily all coming from herself,
but she ain't pulling people up on their transphobic crap either.
She seems well aligned with the leafleteers and their viewpoint,
not just "defending their right to free speech."
Shechemite
Be the sun and all will see you
Yeah I’m not going to trawl through her FB to see if she might or might not have made transphobic comments
krtek a houby
Merry Xmas!
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Add to that recent guidance issued by the BMA to medical staff to refer to 'pregnant 'people', not pregnant women.
Then this (apologies for the article source):
Theresa May insists 'pregnant women' term 'acceptable' after Government's transgender request to UN
The FCO submitted a request to the UN that the term 'pregnant people' replace 'pregnant women' so as not to exclude trans-men based on ONE 'specific case'. World gone mad.
The BMA issued guidance to BMA employees, not medical staff, suggesting that the term pregnant people is a way of using more inclusive language which takes into account transmen and intersex people.
The FCO made that point to ensure that trans men who become pregnant have the same human right not to be executed as pregnant women.
Like I said previously, its a good idea to check the accuracy of trans scare stories otherwise some people might think you have another agenda.
gamerunknown
Well-Known Member
See here, here and here. Take these figures with a pinch of salt though, small sample sizes and subpopulations will have more volatility than large. There are some challengable figures on average lifespan for instance.
The recommendation in DSM5 for treating gender dysphoria is social, medical and legal transition to the desired gender for the person experiencing it.
With respect, I think you're missing the point. I understand the reason behind this thinking, and I totally get that a trans-man might feel excluded by the term 'pregnant woman', and wouldn't wish for anyone to feel that way. I would hope that once that their wishes to be called a pregnant person would be respected. But to take away the female-ness of pregnancy for millions of women to save the feelings of a tiny group of people is just plain wrong.
Good job no-one has done that then.
bimble
floofy
How come 'phobic' is the term for trans and islama but not for other, older things. Once someone's defined as having a phobia you can't start a conversation that might lead to better understanding can you, they're just irrationally afraid, end of, irreprable condition, door neatly closed at the outset.
No, but Theresa May and her government attempted to. How could this even be considered an acceptable thing to do?
What making sure that human rights considerations did not exclude trans-men? Yeah what bastards. Of all the things to be pissed off at the tories about
If human rights laws were drafted using the term pregnant women then trans men who were pregnant might not be protected. Sometimes precision of language is important to prevent unintended consequences.
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Athos
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I edited my post, because it's not possible to have a sensible discussion of these issues here. So I don't really want to get into a debate about it. Suffice to say we understand the government's response very differently.
weepiper
I fix the machines that fight climate change
Choose changes in mood, mood swings and depression, breast pain or tenderness, breast enlargement, fungal infections and cystitis, migraine or headaches, feeling nauseous and vomiting, stomach problems and diarrhoea, irregular bleeding, skin rash and acne, hair loss, changes in body weight, high or low blood pressure, low libido. Or choose risking pregnancy every time you fancy a shag, because men don't like how condoms feel.
newbie
undisambiguated
this post on Reddit, from someone who was there, makes a similar point.
ska invita
back on the other side
for the record there werent 30-60 people, more like 8 - the rest were rubber neckers and people trying to diffuse the situation
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
Defuse. Diffusing it would be spreading it.
ska invita
back on the other side
what a stupid language
newbie
undisambiguated
that's interesting and not what I've read elsewhere. So... a couple of leafletters or those defending leafletting, a couple of randomly involved stallholders, an organiser/collective member or two, a few (how many?) defusers and something up to 50 or so rubber neckers who merely watched without being part of a mob?
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