Russell Brand: rape and sexual abuse allegations, grifting and general dodginess - discussion

[story]

No. A sex worker is paid for a specific job, and inappropriate touching would be touching that has not been agreed within that remit. The same would be true of any job, in any workplace, from offices to care homes. It's really quite simple, I don't quite get why you're struggling with it?

paul mckenna

Like, sex workers saying they don't kiss on the mouth. Or don't do anal or whatever. Like any other worker, they have the right to refuse to do certain things ESPECIALLY WHEN IT INVOLVES THEIR ACTUAL BODY.

Suggesting that if you've paid then you can do what you want removes all agency from the prostitute. It's abusive, up.to and including sexual.assault and rape.

JFC do you really really think it's okay to cross boundaries because money is involved?

 

[paul mckenna]

No. A sex worker is paid for a specific job, and inappropriate touching would be touching that has not been agreed within that remit. The same would be true of any job, in any workplace, from offices to care homes. It's really quite simple, I don't quite get why you're struggling with it?

I get the distinction but, in that case, would "he touched me when he only paid for a massage + blowjob" really be a police matter?

Note here that we explicitly saying "touching". Not anything else which is obviously a whole different matter

My worry is that police involvement is a serious escalation. Worse than that, it can be made public like now. Really bad territory

 

[8ball]

There’s some more context here where it does not seem in dispute what the individual was hired for:

A Masseuse Accused Russell Brand of Physical Assault in 2014

A judge sided with Brand and his girlfriend at the time, Jemima Khan, over the masseuse, who alleged that Brand had pushed her.

www.rollingstone.com

 

[JimW]

My worry is that police involvement is a serious escalation. Worse than that, it can be made public like now. Really bad territory

In a "won't someone think of the sex criminals" sense of bad?

 

[paul mckenna]

In a "won't someone think of the sex criminals" sense of bad?

as in "innocent until proven guilty" kind of bad

 

[cupid_stunt]

The world's best sports masseur in the world wouldn't charge £500 per hour. Clearly a call girl

Is touching a call girl now becoming a police matter ?!

Holy fuck this is ridiculous

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What's obviously going on is that everyone goes full confirmation bias and posts anything with the words sex + Brand. Can't people apply some critical thought per accusation?

Fuck off, McKenna!

Why is this tosser still here?

 

[Rob Ray]

I get the distinction but, in that case, would "he touched me when he only paid for a massage + blowjob" really be a police matter?

Would you say the same about a care home worker? "He touched me when he'd only paid for me to wash him," for example? If someone feels it's serious enough to involve the police that's their decision based on the fact they've been assaulted, it's not up to you to demand a fucking CV.

 

[danny la rouge]

Do you believe that a standard masseur was hired for £500?

Larry King hair cut charges:

Ladies Cut & Blow Dry	£510
Gents Cut & Blow Dry	£310

And for that you have to go to him. So yes, a “standard massage” could easily cost a celebrity £500.

So that line of “logic” is dealt with. But this shit about whether it’s possible to sexually assault sex workers is really depressing, to be quite frank. I’m sorry I saw it.

 

[JimW]

as in "innocent until proven guilty" kind of bad

Which is not something we'd ever find out if no-one investigated complaints.

 

[Ax^]

if your trolling Paul hope you are finding it funny

as to everyone else you coming across as someone you should never leave alone with a member of the opposite sex

 

[edcraw]

I wonder what the masseuse, Szilvia Berki, would have to say about being called a prostitute? Looks like she’s not shy of taking legal action.

 

[paul mckenna]

Would you say the same about a care home worker? "He touched me when he'd only paid for me to wash him," for example? If someone feels it's serious enough to involve the police that's their decision based on the fact they've been assaulted, it's not up to you to demand a fucking CV.

Now who's the logic lord. We're talking about a situation where a sex worker is massaging a naked guy, after payment ffs

 

[story]

Fuck off, McKenna!

Why is this tosser still here?

I think it's useful tbh. We get to see what it's really like out there

 

[Silas Loom]

Massage therapist, not “masseuse”. It’s a job where gendered role descriptions are even less helpful than normal.

 

[paul mckenna]

if your trolling Paul hope you are finding it funny

as to everyone else you coming across as someone you should never leave alone with a member of the opposite sex

coming across them counts as touching?

 

[JimW]

Now who's the logic lord. We're talking about a situation where a sex worker is massaging a naked guy, after payment ffs

No, we're talking about a situation where all you know is that she's made a complaint but your love for justice means you don't think that should be investigated based on a set of unsourced assumptions.

 

[paul mckenna]

Massage therapist, not “masseuse”. It’s a job where gendered role descriptions are even less helpful than normal.

lol, in comes the woke brigade on their retard unicorns

 

[Rob Ray]

Now who's the logic lord. We're talking about a situation where a sex worker is massaging a naked guy, after payment ffs

a) I wasn't part of the conversation where you were called a logic bro. I don't actually think you're behaving particularly logically.
b) You have failed to explain why a sex worker should be disallowed from acting when someone commits a sexual assault against them. Please do so.

 

[Flavour]

paul mckenna you are an absolute disgrace and deserve to be banned for your disgusting, unapologetic, misogyny. Shame on you.

E2a: "retard unicorns" - add ableism and homophobia to the list.

 

[Silas Loom]

lol, in comes the woke brigade on their retard unicorns

I’m getting the impression from all this that the main thing you do is jump to erroneous conclusions.

 

[paul mckenna]

No, we're talking about a situation where all you know is that she's made a complaint but your love for justice means you don't think that should be investigated based on a set of unsourced assumptions.

For the 30th time this thread. I believe the laws need to applied to the letter but the public accusations are a step far too far.

 

[8ball]

Massage therapist, not “masseuse”. It’s a job where gendered role descriptions are even less helpful than normal.

Peak urban.

 

[paul mckenna]

paul mckenna you are an absolute disgrace and deserve to be banned for your disgusting, unapologetic, misogyny. Shame on you.

love a good oxford comma

 

[danny la rouge]

lol, in comes the woke brigade on their retard unicorns

Jesus. Ableist slurs too. Charming.

 

[edcraw]

lol, in comes the woke brigade on their retard unicorns

anyone that uses woke as a pejorative is a fucking idiot - but you’ve already proved that several times.

 

[eatmorecheese]

love a good oxford comma

If you aren't trolling I'd be inclined to think you are actually quite a dangerous person.

 

[Ax^]

lol, in comes the woke brigade on their retard unicorns

called it

hmm what the bets you the boring type of middle aged fuck wits who drones on all the time about the times being to woke
because you cannot make sexist or racist jokes anymore because of the liberals ruining the country

 

[8ball]

If you aren't trolling I'd be inclined to think you are actually quite a dangerous person.

Not sure it’s even technically an Oxford comma…

 

[8ball]

anyone that uses woke as a pejorative is a fucking idiot - but you’ve already proved that several times.

And to think how we used to get worked up about “retard”…

 

[Silas Loom]

paul mckenna you are an absolute disgrace and deserve to be banned for your disgusting, unapologetic, misogyny. Shame on you.

E2a: "retard unicorns" - add ableism and homophobia to the list.

Is it homophobic to accuse people of being involved with unicorns? Genuinely had no idea. I thought they were mainly invoked in the context of tech start-ups.