SpookyFrank
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It's just a busman's holiday from his day job defending Putin.
Russell Brand: rape and sexual abuse allegations, grifting and general dodginess - discussion
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It's just a busman's holiday from his day job defending Putin.
seeformiles
Lost in the wood
I think “Lads’ Mags” were bought by those too embarrassed to buy proper porn and it started to blur the line between what was sleazy with what was previously just general interest. Earlier soft porn had a higher proportion of articles on cars, hi-fi so there was a plausible reason for purchasing beyond nudie pics.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
With that in mind it's a great disappointment you feel the need to tell us what you think at such length
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existentialist
Tired and unemotional
It's been RD2003'd.
Kaka Tim
Half Arsed and Slapdash till I Die
I do think its important to understand the differnt culture of the 70s and 80s, the fact that it was a predominately working class audience and take a grown up nuanced view and conclude that Bernard Manning was a vile misogynist, racist cunt who performed vile misogynist, racist, cunt jokes to an audience of vile, misogynist racist cunts. Which is exactly what many, many people belived at the time.
klang
klang
shame as there were quite a few good posts that made me consider things I hadn't thought of before, prior to RD's appearance...
klang
klang
what class are the followers of Brand? who watches Ross?
Rob Ray
Weight is meaningless
Wish I'd never brought Manning up now, but one thing I will note as a parallel between his era and that of Brand and co. is the assumption that a lack of challenge is the same thing as enthusiastic acceptance.
Manning, for example, in a video posted above, talks about his Pakistani neighbour being a very clever man who would laugh at his jokes about Pakistanis. RD's comments have repeatedly talked about how racists would go see Manning and then go back to the factory and rub along fine with black co-workers. I have no doubt the latter was true, and perhaps the former as well.
But then, of course it would be. A minority group has to be accepting of a situation which they have little power to change and where a reaction other than cheerful acceptance Causes A Problem, with them as the troublemaker.
It's notable, isn't it, how few of the minority people who lived through that time have subsequently been among its prominent nostalgists. Even Manning's beloved neighbour.
Manning, for example, in a video posted above, talks about his Pakistani neighbour being a very clever man who would laugh at his jokes about Pakistanis. RD's comments have repeatedly talked about how racists would go see Manning and then go back to the factory and rub along fine with black co-workers. I have no doubt the latter was true, and perhaps the former as well.
But then, of course it would be. A minority group has to be accepting of a situation which they have little power to change and where a reaction other than cheerful acceptance Causes A Problem, with them as the troublemaker.
It's notable, isn't it, how few of the minority people who lived through that time have subsequently been among its prominent nostalgists. Even Manning's beloved neighbour.
klang
klang
trigger warning ----> I don't know much about comedy and never followed the latest stars or trends, so take this for what it is.....
A few weeks ago I stumbled across an Apollo show and thought I'd give it a go....It struck me how deeply racist and mysogonist the whole production was. The set up was the usual: A rotation of various acts, all given a certain amount of stage time. The acts were very obviously picked for their backgrounds and appearances: An Asian man, a black man, a bigger woman, a white w/c lad, a black woman, etc.
The acts would mould their routines around the specific stereotypes typical to them. A few curry jokes from the Asian man, the black man jumped between Carib-, West African-, and Grime Accents, the bigger woman made jokes about being big and threw in a few lesbian jokes, et etc, all in the name of 'as long as I joke about myself I can be as edgy as I like'.
From their stage appearances, however, I have no idea what their real life personas were. But this wasn't they point. The point wasn't about confronting the audience with their own perceptions and to make them question their prejudices via the means of comedy, but it was about re-assuring people that racist views, exclusion and bullying don't need challenging, as long as you laugh with someone about their status in society. The fact that the acts were just that, acts, was side-lined. Both audience and act really laughed at something, laughed at people for being disadvantaged.
I don't think things are very different to the 70s and 80s. The packaging has changed, but to point at the 70s with outrage misses the point and is a get-out-clause.
A few weeks ago I stumbled across an Apollo show and thought I'd give it a go....It struck me how deeply racist and mysogonist the whole production was. The set up was the usual: A rotation of various acts, all given a certain amount of stage time. The acts were very obviously picked for their backgrounds and appearances: An Asian man, a black man, a bigger woman, a white w/c lad, a black woman, etc.
The acts would mould their routines around the specific stereotypes typical to them. A few curry jokes from the Asian man, the black man jumped between Carib-, West African-, and Grime Accents, the bigger woman made jokes about being big and threw in a few lesbian jokes, et etc, all in the name of 'as long as I joke about myself I can be as edgy as I like'.
From their stage appearances, however, I have no idea what their real life personas were. But this wasn't they point. The point wasn't about confronting the audience with their own perceptions and to make them question their prejudices via the means of comedy, but it was about re-assuring people that racist views, exclusion and bullying don't need challenging, as long as you laugh with someone about their status in society. The fact that the acts were just that, acts, was side-lined. Both audience and act really laughed at something, laughed at people for being disadvantaged.
I don't think things are very different to the 70s and 80s. The packaging has changed, but to point at the 70s with outrage misses the point and is a get-out-clause.
I worked with a racist from that era. When I pointed how well he got along with a black colleague he’d say “ah yeah, but that’s Mick.” Seemingly unable to conceive that Mick might also find his views offensive. Of course he kept that side of him reigned in around Mick. The mind boggles.
klang
klang
It also dismisses a long history of anti-racist activities.
From Cable St via Spains Civil War to Rock Against Racism, there are countless examples....
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krtek a houby
Anger is Hi-NRG
Apologies if already posted/incorrect thread
The question “Why didn’t she go to the police?” is easy to answer for any of us who lived under that hideous toxic media regime. The challenging of any aspect of sexism or misogyny was ruthlessly quashed, the objector painted as humourless and unfuckable, then mocked, bullied and harassed.
www.theguardian.com
The question “Why didn’t she go to the police?” is easy to answer for any of us who lived under that hideous toxic media regime. The challenging of any aspect of sexism or misogyny was ruthlessly quashed, the objector painted as humourless and unfuckable, then mocked, bullied and harassed.
The 2000s lad culture that Russell Brand epitomised wasn’t funny then. It looks even more hideous with hindsight | Rhiannon Lucy Cosslett
Young women who challenged the swirling misogyny were bullied and harassed – it’s high time we listened to the victims of that era, says Guardian columnist Rhiannon Lucy Cosslett
Rob Ray
Weight is meaningless
Another thing that starts early. Referencing back to my colleague doing his course, the teacher suggested to all of them that they use their personal attributes to fuel their set. Except of course for the white guy they're The Norm, so his unique tack was political, his views on the world. Judgment of externalities.
White guys aren't expected to joke about bad dates, or about culture brought over from their ancestral homeland (not that either is "bad comedy"), they have freer reign to go wherever, into surreal stuff, shock, satire etc. I'd not really thought about it until it was pointed out to me, but you can definitely see the influence of that mindset on the mainstream shows.
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ska invita
back on the other side
If these letters are real this move by the government is raw meat to conspiracists
It does seem like state overreach to me
Same letter went to Rumble it seems?
In the comments is seemingly real Rumbles response, basically saying fuck off ... great publicity for their platform too
What a shit show
Is this definitely real?
It does seem like state overreach to me
Same letter went to Rumble it seems?
In the comments is seemingly real Rumbles response, basically saying fuck off ... great publicity for their platform too
What a shit show
Is this definitely real?
That account is a Trump supporter that likes talking about vaccines. So probably not.
ska invita
back on the other side
That's why I posted it, it's a conspiracist account and they're all reposting it.... It makes my point about how this plays into conspiracy narratives
Whether is real or not though...?
LDC
On est tous des pangolins
Asking if someone potentially facing rape and sexual assault charges is able to make money off producing SM content talking about them is a fair question tbh. People would be asking questions if they did highly paid uncensored and unquestioned interviews on TV shows discussing them, so why not this?
Also, fuck that Twitter.
hegley
never odd or even
If you haven't seen it already I'd highly recommend watching Nanette - Hannah Gadsby's show, about this, it's an excellent, if difficult watch; I saw her perform it live at the Fringe a few years back and have rewatched on Netflix - just as powerful the second time around even when you know what's coming.
To be fair, there was a lot of speculation that he would also be named in the Dispatches programme.I clearly had no idea who Russell Brand was before all this because in my mind I thought it was Noel from Bake Off.
LDC
On est tous des pangolins
You can't not do something cos it plays into conspiracy narratives, they make all the stuff up anyway, worrying they might use it as fuel is a dead end. Following that logic would result in Brand not having been investigated. Not to mention his YT being demonetisated or him being deplatformed off anything.
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Really? Gosh. I hope he’s not a baddie. I like him.
klang
klang
^ that Ross clip...
cupid_stunt
Chief seagull hater & farmerbarleymow's nemesis.
Looks real, it's on the government's website - https://committees.parliament.uk/publications/41488/documents/204326/default/
And, looks like Musk has had a letter too.
Elon Musk faces questions over comedian’s Twitter status after coming to defence
Brand vehemently denies accusations of rape, sexual assault and emotional abuse by four women
www.independent.co.uk
ska invita
back on the other side
I guess I don't see media platforms the same as TV. It is a very different model in many ways though I take your point.
The government are not saying they should ban him from posting videos on a platform ... based on that letter they "allow" him to keep posting....
they are specifically pushing the platform to demonitise.
This is not due process.
It's unlikely he is going to go through a state legal process. Even if he did and was found guilty and carried out whatever punishment, should he never be allowed to post on monetised social media again, because of arbitrary state pressure.
What other criminal convictions should result in a banning from monetising social media? Are there other areas of work that should also be banned?
It looks like overreach of the state to me, and enacted on a whim rather than by any law.
Chz
Stark Raving Sane
As I said before upthread. C4 can be very good at this sort of thing, and if any broadcaster at all would do it I suppose it would be them. But they're not going to shoot GBBO in the face just as it starts for the season.
cupid_stunt
Chief seagull hater & farmerbarleymow's nemesis.
I tend to agree, ska invita, platforms should decide on what, if any, action they want to take in this case.
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