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Yes, exactly.
Russell Brand on Revolution
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it also ignores the fact that in the unskilled and semi skilled labour market gangmasters that recruit overseas have a long track record of exploitation through clawbacks such as charging for accommodation, meals and transport whether the worker uses it or not, failing to pay NI contributions and genrally being a bunch of parasitical scumbags that exploit the inbalance between the employee and employer to the hilt.
Jean-Luc
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Actually I didn't accuse anyone of anything, just expressing surprise that some here didn't take exception to that passage from Ricky Tomlinson. If it had been said by Farage, a Tory or Blue Labour (as it could have been) I'm sure someone here would have done. Bear in mind also that the SLP, the party Tomlinson supports, declared in its manifesto for the Euroelections in May:
In other words, they are opposed to employers recruiting workers from eastern Europe and want jobs in Britain reserved for workers from Britain, white or black. They are not racist any more than anyone here is. Just nationalist.
In other words, they are opposed to employers recruiting workers from eastern Europe and want jobs in Britain reserved for workers from Britain, white or black. They are not racist any more than anyone here is. Just nationalist.
butchersapron
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This is what Tomlinson said:
a clear stand against workplace and employment discrimination. You, you rat, turn this is into a smear on other posters for being racist. And you also end up supporting the right of capital to employ who they like when they like on what grounds they like. Buckaroo was right, fuck off.
a clear stand against workplace and employment discrimination. You, you rat, turn this is into a smear on other posters for being racist. And you also end up supporting the right of capital to employ who they like when they like on what grounds they like. Buckaroo was right, fuck off.
butchersapron
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Tell us exactly what you object to in the anti-discriminatory argument that 'If there’s jobs available it should be available for everyone.' please. Forget the SLP sand in the eyes nonsense.
butchersapron
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Interesting. It seems that you cannot let his past go - to the extent of twisting his expression of an anti-racist sentiment into racism.
butchersapron
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You know damn well what your mealy mouthed nationalist means. Let's hear what you have against "If there’s jobs available it should be available for everyone." please.
Jean-Luc
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Why are you pretending not to see the difference between a "racist" and a "nationalist" ? The racist BNP, EDL, NF etc stand for "British jobs for white British workers". The anti-EU left stand for "British jobs for British white and black workers", i.e are not racists but simple nationalists. I'm against both nationalism and racism as they both divide the wage and salary working class against each other. You don't seem to mind nationalism which (not being funny, but genuinely) surprises me as I thought from your other posts on urban 75 that your views were more advanced than this, with some sort of commitment to the world-wide working class.
butchersapron
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Explain your disagreements with:
If you cannot then your whole intervention has been a cowardly smear.
And here we have yet another smear thrown in - i don't mind nationalism, i'm happy to endorse something that you see as being anti-w/c. Well done Jean-luc. The voice of the advanced speaks.
DotCommunist
So many particulars. So many questions.
6music, him out of pulp just played an excerpt from the audiobook version revolution'.
Aye. Gave it a minute and then turned the volume down
brogdale
Coming to terms with late onset Anarchism
I was enjoying that programme, albeit pre-recorded.
Now off.
It's gone now
DotCommunist
So many particulars. So many questions.
he was banging on about jesus. ~I like a jesus chat as much as the next person but the book title is...
Jean-Luc
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OK, what's wrong with
And of course there's the wider picture where under capitalism people's ability to work is a commodity bought and sold on the labour market which inevitably pits worker against worker for the jobs the capitalist economy makes available (or not).
Nothing in the abstract but I don't think anyone thinks that this means they should be available to any worker anywhere on the planet, do they? I don't think Tomlinson meant this, as it follows:
I doubt if he wants them to be advertised in Poland at all (let alone in the ILO Gazette), though I suppose he might go as far as to say that they should be available to workers from Poland already in Britain. Anyway, to stay on thread, imagine Brand had said something like this ...
And of course there's the wider picture where under capitalism people's ability to work is a commodity bought and sold on the labour market which inevitably pits worker against worker for the jobs the capitalist economy makes available (or not).
butchersapron
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So there's nothing wrong with the quote but the person who made it is a liar so clearly meant something else entirely and if you agree with him then you're an anti working class nationalist. Fantastic stuff.
And this was the person you brought into the thread as a great example of someone moving beyond nationalism. The person you're now calling an anti working class nationalist.
And this was the person you brought into the thread as a great example of someone moving beyond nationalism. The person you're now calling an anti working class nationalist.
Jean-Luc
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I never said he was a liar. He comes across as a decent bloke and I'm sure he was expressing his sincerely held view. After all, he is a supporter if not a member of the SLP (he does some of their election broadcasts) and the SLP is opposed to Polish (and general EU) immigration into Britain.
Correction: as someone who moved beyond fascism. And I brought him in as an example of someone else who has had an unsavoury past but who has (rightly) been forgiven.
JimW
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But you have chosen to infer something his words don't imply. If he says "for all" why think he doesn't mean that?
Jean-Luc
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Because he supports the SLP.
butchersapron
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Excellent. His sincerely held view isn't the one he actually expressed, but one you've decided that he should hold.
Of course he's a liar, he said one thing when he clearly meant something very different which you worked out for him. He's lying about what he really means.
butchersapron
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Please link to this manifesto and then explain how that line means: "the SLP is opposed to Polish (and general EU) immigration into Britain." - because we wouldn't want any smears now would we?
ItWillNeverWork
Messy Crimbobs, fellow humans.
This might have already been mentioned, but the Telegraph have awarded Brand with "The David Icke Award for Contribution to Political Thought". Sums the last 99 pages up then.
DotCommunist
So many particulars. So many questions.
trigger warning: link contains farage
butchersapron
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Really outdone yourself this time Jean-Luc:
A) Ricky Tomlinson says: "If there’s jobs available it should be available for everyone"
B) Jean-Luc: anyone who agrees with that is an anti-w/c nationalist.
C) Do you agree with it Jean-Luc?
D) Yes. But that means i'm not an anti-w/c nationalist.
E) Why?
F) Because i was agreeing with the words themselves - everyone else, including the person who spoke them, was really agreeing with something else entirely which is anti-w/c and nationalist. In agreeing with the thing i disagree with i'm the only one agreeing with the real meaning.
G) Fuck off eh.
What a tangled mess you vanguardists get yourself into.
A) Ricky Tomlinson says: "If there’s jobs available it should be available for everyone"
B) Jean-Luc: anyone who agrees with that is an anti-w/c nationalist.
C) Do you agree with it Jean-Luc?
D) Yes. But that means i'm not an anti-w/c nationalist.
E) Why?
F) Because i was agreeing with the words themselves - everyone else, including the person who spoke them, was really agreeing with something else entirely which is anti-w/c and nationalist. In agreeing with the thing i disagree with i'm the only one agreeing with the real meaning.
G) Fuck off eh.
What a tangled mess you vanguardists get yourself into.
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butchersapron
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So, what you're saying is that there is no European election manifesto at all- it doesn't exist, you invented it by puffing up a line from the news section of the news section of their website.
No, you have made a very specific claim that the SLP support and promote a racist (not nationalist) policy - namely blanket ban on polish immigration: "the SLP is opposed to Polish (and general EU) immigration into Britain." - they don't support this position - in the manifesto that you so helpfully invented for them (in the same way that you invented Ricky Tomlinson agreeing with this non-existent manifesto and secretly meaning this when he said something completely different) or otherwise. To claim that they do on the basis of this single line ("As a party we are against the uncontrolled movement of labour and capital.") is shameful and you have no ground on which to make it. Stop this pathetic vanguardism and stop the smearing.
butchersapron
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Why would Ricky Tomlinson, the SLP, the people who liked my post, me or anyone else need to think for ourselves when we have Jean-Luc and his comrades to do it for us? I mean just look at the last few pages...who wouldn't trust them?
Pickman's model
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where in your quote does it say "we're not for accepting any europeans into the uk" or words to that effect?
you thick cunt. if you had any decency or integrity you'd quit this thread now instead of continuing to lie and lie and lie.
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