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I think it's farcical. Desperation from the Pro 14 and greed for a bit of extra cash from the AP. Will go nowhere, imo.
Rugby Union 2017-18
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Is this fundamentally because the defence is less well drilled and therefore more gaps are available for talented players to exploit, especially by keeping the ball moving?
'lower grade' rugby is fun to watch, as the amateur 70s so richly demonstrates. The likes of LS and Richmond are probably far fitter, better trained and better nourished than Barry John and Gareth Edwards ever were.
All I have to say is have you seen the size of the "kids*" in Rugby nowadays. It's brutal at a junior level.
*No peado
*No peado
Jeez...you sort of have to feel sorry for him. He makes it tough but poor kid.
felixthecat
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Just to let you all know at the weekend England women's u18 7s team won the European Championship. Won it emphatically in fact, a class above every other team.
It bodes well for the future of the women's 7s game
It bodes well for the future of the women's 7s game
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Yeah. They're fucking ginormous. In the halcyon amateur days the likes of George North, Tuilagi et al would have been second rows or number 8s. Some of the kids coming through are bigger than the pre-professional internationals.
I'm slightly concerned that the new studies in sports physiology and stuff*..will have an impact on Rugby and other sports.
I am aware that a lot of ex pro's and even amateurs have blamed the sport for various ailments and only think that will increase.
You only have to look at the size and physicality of the teams to see injuries on the increase.
I'm in a good mood tonight lol.
*I'm obviously an expert
I am aware that a lot of ex pro's and even amateurs have blamed the sport for various ailments and only think that will increase.
You only have to look at the size and physicality of the teams to see injuries on the increase.
I'm in a good mood tonight lol.
*I'm obviously an expert
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I think the lawsuits of the future are already growing in the ground now or have already grown. You only need to look at the stats around the scrum engagement during the Adam Jones era, where each engage gave an equivalent force to a minor car crash, to see that you can't keep doing that to bodies. The modern 7 is another case in point - holding a 'position of strength' over the tackle area, an unnatural position to begin with without 18 stone monsters flying in with their shoulders is, over time and collisions, going to fuck you up. Warburton, who is naturally very breakable, is a case in point here. Injured again for 4 months, he has, at the age of 28, to manage his career because he's only got x number of games in him.I'm slightly concerned that the new studies in sports physiology and stuff*..will have an impact on Rugby and other sports.
I am aware that a lot of ex pro's and even amateurs have blamed the sport for various ailments and only think that will increase.
You only have to look at the size and physicality of the teams to see injuries on the increase.
I'm in a good mood tonight lol.
*I'm obviously an expert
Numerous stories now coming through of players from the early professional era complaining of blackouts, personality changes, memory losses, etc. They'll become more numerous. The likes of Sexton and BOD are fucked already, imo.
World Rugby shitting itself. They know what's coming which is why they're tightening up on those aspects of the law where they could, in a future court of law, be proven to be negligent. Crooked feed at the scrum is interesting here, we all moan about it, especially as they'd clearly stated that they'd be cracking down on it, but when it happened and they enforced it, they realised that the 'attacking' scrum was so depowered (because hooker had to hook rather than shove) that it presented a real and present danger to player wellbeing, and so was quietly dropped.
Basically they're too big, too fast and too powerful (and that's without the rumours of doping that dog the sport). Something has to give.
More dangerous than boxing imo..
I'd have more qualms if my fictional child was into Rugby more than any other sport tbh..
Oooh drugs...in Rugby...ssshhhhh
gawkrodger
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For long-term strain on the body, it's definetly up there.
I teach, train with and know a reasonable number of high level professional combat sports athletes. Through conditioning coaches, I am acquainted with players in National 1/Championship and some former Prem players. The stresses and wear and tear they face is more than people who are being paid to render opponents unconscious
gawkrodger
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and Wasps injury woes continue.
I reckon the big health scandal will be the drugs exposure floodgate opening.
I reckon the big health scandal will be the drugs exposure floodgate opening.
gawkrodger
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oh, and talks of a players strike in the Premiership seem to be continuing to gain momentum
edit: Just realised, I have no idea what the drug testing regime for rugby is like. Is it rigourous, or more at the American Football end of the spectrum where testing seems to come down to a pinky promise
edit: Just realised, I have no idea what the drug testing regime for rugby is like. Is it rigourous, or more at the American Football end of the spectrum where testing seems to come down to a pinky promise
gawkrodger
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The AP attempt was farcical. Why the fuck didn't they throw a bit of money at London Irish and get them to play a game (against someone like Worcester) in Boston or Chicago? Especially not in in fucking Chester, PA. Just after the start of the American Football season
It's a bit of a mess atm...
Lol if they were not on drugs then I would question them about their career?
It's a "no joke scenario".."do you lack ambition"
Have you ever been on the pads?
#bendoughty #nojokescenario #war #pads
Yes, I think that's probably a big part of it. Its around the fringes that the gaps seem to be, agile loose forwards finding gaps and dragging in backs so creating space outside. I don't think the kicking game is particularly strong either (compared to the top level) so its often safer to keep the ball in hand rather than just kick it away. Forward size is another factor, at this level finding a speedy winger is not hard but a big pack which will control the game? Forwards are much smaller and don't have the game management skills of the top level forwards.
Generally, though, I think it's an attitude that this is the type of game they play and they'll run it from anywhere.
It's great to watch but its quite easy to see why they murdered by whichever AP team has dropped down a division.
Yeah agreed. It makes sense for national teams to play in the US from time to time, I think we'd all agree that the Ireland v NZ match was a big success. Club matches being played in front of 1500 people? Nah not for me.
flypanam
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I dunno, my BiL lives I Toronto, and he's been raving about The Toronto Wolfpack, a League team that plays in one of the RFL lower divisions. They've just won promotion. The city's mayor is backing them, the RFL is backing them and they've gone from a thousand attendee's to well over 6 times that figure in a year. Helped that tickets to the Leafs and Raptors are a small mortgage. Wolfpack tickets are $30. Granted League is lucky in that it's summer sport, Union's failing is that in Canada, rugby can only be played in winter is small pockets of BC, and Maritimes. The guy that backed Canadian Rugby has also given up supporting the Union financially, and the union is shambolic.
Yes, sorry I meant European clubs playing matches over there like that Newcastle v Sarries match recently. I'm all for growing the game from the grassroots in as many countries as possible I just don't think dragging two European sides over to play a league match in an empty stadium is the way forward. There is a few AP teams that struggle to half fill their stadiums and that's over here.
felixthecat
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Its much the same as for athletics in this country. There is in competition and out of competition testing on a random basis - you may get tested 10 times in one seaon or not at all. You have to provide UKAD with your location 365 days of the year and you must be within 1 hr of that location at all times. If you aren't where you are supposed to be and the man with the sample bottles comes knocking it is counted as a test failure.
It follows WADA guidelines basically.
Im amazed that we haven't had more failures for performance enhancing drugs in rugby, I really am.
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Agreed. Especially when we know how utterly rife they are in the amateur and semi-pro tiers of the game.
gawkrodger
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changing one of my predictions - Worcester to go down
gawkrodger
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We're (predictably) getting hammered by Exeter. If we get many more injuries we're going to have to use academy players!
gawkrodger
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which also ties in with what has been said above about injuries, and the what seems to me, to be a huge amount of injuries at the start of this season
gawkrodger
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continuing the injury discussion
The Premiership’s injury price tag is mounting and attitudes need to change | Robert Kitson
The Premiership’s injury price tag is mounting and attitudes need to change | Robert Kitson
OzT
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Well tomorrow for me my interests is peaked. Wallabies vs Boks, and kiwis against Argentina.
I think the AB's game should be a given. Am more interested in the Wallabies game. Can we stillcontinue our slight improvement from the humilation of the first game, and away from home?
My heart says yes but head not so sure. Cheika's taking a lot of stick back home, for unimaginative play and sticking maybe too much to his ex 'Tah players. Also, and I think so, our best side is playing away at the mo, and they're not due back to just before the world cup to get included in selection.
Then again the Boks are having a bad year themselves, by their standards. so be a good game to watch to see who, if any of us, is improving.
I think the AB's game should be a given. Am more interested in the Wallabies game. Can we stillcontinue our slight improvement from the humilation of the first game, and away from home?
My heart says yes but head not so sure. Cheika's taking a lot of stick back home, for unimaginative play and sticking maybe too much to his ex 'Tah players. Also, and I think so, our best side is playing away at the mo, and they're not due back to just before the world cup to get included in selection.
Then again the Boks are having a bad year themselves, by their standards. so be a good game to watch to see who, if any of us, is improving.
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Anyone seen this yet:
www.walesonline.co.uk/sport/rugby/rugby-news/wales-star-forced-withdraw-match-13696303.amp
Useless hooker of crisis region, Ospreys, sticks his hand in a lion's cage and gets it bitten, forcing him out of the game (they got beaten again!). I mean, if he wasn't shit enough already surely getting yourself mauled by African alpha predators on a photoshoot prior to a match is beyond idiotic.
www.walesonline.co.uk/sport/rugby/rugby-news/wales-star-forced-withdraw-match-13696303.amp
Useless hooker of crisis region, Ospreys, sticks his hand in a lion's cage and gets it bitten, forcing him out of the game (they got beaten again!). I mean, if he wasn't shit enough already surely getting yourself mauled by African alpha predators on a photoshoot prior to a match is beyond idiotic.
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What's the problem with it?
