Rotherham child rape gangs: At least 1400 victims

[Anudder Oik]

The fear of being branded a racist is not brought about by catchy terms like political correctness... If the fear of being branded a racist exists it's usually because 1) people acknowledge racism exists and/or 2) They are about to say something dodgey...'I'm not racist but....'

It's not fear of terms but fear of ostricism, peer pressure, knee jerk accustions of racism, which have been pointed out on the thread, can and do lead to dismissal at work. I have witnessed this myself when I was a militant in a left wing party.

 

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People knew this was happening...it didn't matter who was doing it, their jobs were to report it and protect vulnerable children, they let it happen, they didn't do their jobs...the ethnicity of the perpetrators is not and should never have been an issue. Interesting that it is now....because heads are rolling and well people want to cover their arses!

even if a fear of being branded racist was a proven factor rather than arse covering buck passing bullshit, whose fault is it that the police might be branded racist? might it be the fault of every officer that has acted in a racist manner and every officer who has helped cover that shit up? every failed investigation into racist murders? every incident of mistreatment of a vulnerable black person? I'm sure someone who follows reports of incidents of police racism can add to this list.

if the police didn't have a reputation for being racist that is caused by them being racist, then the race of perpetrators would be of no concern in an investigation and of no concern to the community they were investigating.

don't want to be called racist? try not being so fucking racist then.

 

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It's not fear of terms but fear of ostricism, peer pressure, knee jerk accustions of racism, which have been pointed out on the thread, can and do lead to dismissal at work. I have witnessed this myself when I was a militant in a left wing party.

I shall rename myself sleeping beauty and ask for how long I have been away from this world? the police in my day were not like this. this is a better place, come sing with me brother and we shall celebrate my reawakening.

 

[Anudder Oik]

Clearly because every single person who knew about this was so politically correct that they couldn't face the idea of mentioning criminal gangs prostituting 1400 children out to paedophiles. That's obviously what happened.

Well, what is the alternative answer, then. It cannot be just incompetence.

 

[Treacle Toes]

It's not fear of terms but fear of ostricism, peer pressure, knee jerk accustions of racism, which have been pointed out on the thread, can and do lead to dismissal at work. I have witnessed this myself when I was a militant in a left wing party.

Think about it...THEY had evidence, lots of it...they would not have been ostricised, even if one or two people may have had reservations...This is a handy after thought/excuse.

 

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Think about it...THEY had evidence, lots of it...they would not have been ostricised, even if one or two people may have had reservations...This is a handy after thought/excuse.

and third time lucky....

so they hid their head in the sand, until a problem became a huge problem that would require a huge investigation with potential accusations of racism. their failure to act earlier cannot be excused as a fear of a complicated investigation.

could the alternative not be that they couldn't give enough of a crap to investigate earlier and by the time it became clear there were a lot of complaints and a lot of girls involved, there was also considerable arse covering going on as to why they hadn't investigated earlier. culminating in claims they were too scared to bother all those brown people

oppps, this was supposed to be a reply to pillock

 

[Anudder Oik]

Think about it...THEY had evidence, lots of it...they would not have been ostricised, even if one or two people may have had reservations...This is a handy after thought/excuse.

It may not reflect on the whole, but wasn't a foster mother laid off for taking up the case?

 

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[littlebabyjesus]

Well, what is the alternative answer, then. It cannot be just incompetence.

You should never underestimate the incompetence of the police.

 

[bmd]

It's not fear of terms but fear of ostricism, peer pressure, knee jerk accustions of racism, which have been pointed out on the thread, can and do lead to dismissal at work. I have witnessed this myself when I was a militant in a left wing party.

It's a fucking side issue, a gift to the right wing. And some ex militants from the left wing. Why are you so focused on it?

 

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or their ability to bullshit when caught being incompeten=t

 

[Blagsta]

I agree that is the real story. And they aren't just white people, either. But if some stories are to be believed there is a side order of Mafia-like behaviour in some quarters (and no, nobody holds Italians in general responsible for the Mafia.) How much credence should we give to issues such as the fact that the 2003 and 2006 reports 'set out the links between child sexual exploitation and drugs, guns and criminality in the Borough'?
And this from the report:
Or this:
or this
There is more, much more in the report. And there is much more online naming particular councillors with taxi interests who profess ignorance of any problem, if you dig around.

I know in Birmingham, there was an allegation a few years ago that a councillor who was prominent in the male prostitution council task group (which met with police and outreach/welfare/sexual health organisations) was himself a punter.

 

[Lurdan]

It's not fear of terms but fear of ostricism, peer pressure, knee jerk accustions of racism, which have been pointed out on the thread, can and do lead to dismissal at work. I have witnessed this myself when I was a militant in a left wing party.

So confronting a case where "at a conservative estimate" 1400 young girls and boys have been sexually exploited, your primary point of empathy is not with the victims, not with the people who did attempt to get the matter properly dealt with but with those who now claim there was some justification for 'passing on the other side' ?

 

[Anudder Oik]

You should never underestimate the incompetence of the police.

I would call doing nothing about numerous and direct reports of rape from the victims, something other than incompetence.

 

[Anudder Oik]

So confronting a case where "at a conservative estimate" 1400 young girls and boys have been sexually exploited, your primary point of empathy is not with the victims, not with the people who did attempt to get the matter properly dealt with but with those who now claim there was some justification for 'passing on the other side' ?

absolute bollox. Wind your neck in and get coherent.

 

[Treacle Toes]

I would call doing nothing about numerous and direct reports of rape from the victims, something other than incompetence.

So stop trying to pin this on some people saying they were scared of being called racist! You can clearly see a litany of reasons and ways people have fucked up, but you grab the most obvious attempt to cover their collective arse and give it value, seemingly above and beyond all else. Bizarre.

ETA: Actually... Like so often happens when it comes to racism and my experience of it...it all makes sense...the double speak, the double bind...it's easier to believe 'those Black and brown people have tied this society up in knots, we give them everything and look how they repay us, we're even to scared to stop them commiting crimes'.

Bollocks! Whiteness isn't invisible, the system is corrupt and cowards will resort to anything, even racism to cover their pathetic little arses.

 

[Anudder Oik]

So stop trying to pin this on some people saying they were scared of being called racist! You can clearly see a litany of reasons and ways people have fucked up, but you grab the most obvious attempt to cover their collective arse and give it value, seemingly above and beyond all else. Bizarre.

I see what you mean. Do you think that, at the end of the day, all those professionals who chose to work helping people, really just didn't give a fuck?

What coersion could they have felt?

Are we talking about collective cohersion or collective not giving a fuck here?

 

[bmd]

absolute bollox. Wind your neck in and get coherent.

You are determined that this should be seen as a major factor, why is that? Any idea? Try not to justify it with misquotes, "the thread says", or untruths about the report this tine.

 

[Treacle Toes]

I see what you mean. Do you think that, at the end of the day, all those professionals who chose to work helping people, really just didn't give a fuck?

What coersion could they have felt. We are talking about collective cohersion or not give a fuckery here.

Both, who can say to what extent for each person? Burnout is a massive deal in SS, comminication between departments is known to be crap, lots of unsuitable people still on the job and with power, police corruption is widespread...the list goes on...

 

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So stop trying to pin this on some people saying they were scared of being called racist! You can clearly see a litany of reasons and ways people have fucked up, but you grab the most obvious attempt to cover their collective arse and give it value, seemingly above and beyond all else. Bizarre.

ETA: Actually... Like so often happens when it comes to racism and my experience of it...it all makes sense...the double speak, the double bind...it's easier to believe 'those Black and brown people have tied this society up in knots, we give them everything and look how they repay us, we're even to scared to stop them commiting crimes'.

Bollocks! Whiteness isn't invisible, the system is corrupt and cowards will resort to anything, even racism to cover their pathetic little arses.

claims there is no credible alternative, whilst ignoring discussion of alternatives.

 

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absolute bollox. Wind your neck in and get coherent.

there's no incoherency in that post. unless you intentionally choose not to understand it


take your own advice. sit down, shut up and listen. instead of wibbling on and accepting excuses for institutional failures at face value

 

[Red Cat]

the corruption angle was one i wasnt aware of . But it maes sense now especially concerning the fear these scum instilled . That interview i spoke of earlier alluded to some of these chldren telling their parents if they didnt go with these men its the family whod suffer . Obvously a real fear of serious violence at play too .

A 2003 report concluded that:

most of the men in South Yorkshire who were involved in the sexual exploitation of young people for the purposes of prostitution were also believed to be involved in drug dealing. They might also be involved in rape, violence, gun crime, robbery and other serious criminal offences;

Some of the young women who were being sexually exploited were subject to violence, rape, gang rape, kidnap, carrying drugs, dealing drugs, and found in situations where firearms were present;


And in 2006:

The situation in 2006 in Rotherham was described as continuing 'as it has done for a number of years', with an established sexual exploitation scene which was very organised and involved systematic physical and sexual violence against young women;

The most significant recent development had been a rise in reports of guns being seen rather than used by men involved in CSE in Rotherham and Sheffield;


However, both of these reports followed a report written in 2002 that came out of research initiated by the Home Office on street prostitution. The researcher describes her concern about the police lack of action in pursuing the perpetrators despite monthly meetings with them:


She described a particular case that was 'the final straw'.
In 2001, a young girl who
had been repeatedly raped had tried to escape her perpetrators but was terrified
of reprisals. They had allegedly put all the windows in at the parental home and
broken both of her brother's legs 'to send a message'. At that point, the child agreed
to
make a complaint to the Police. The researcher took her to the police station office

where she would be interviewed in advance in order to familiarise her with the place
and the officer who would be conducting the interview. Whilst there, the girl received
a text from the main perpetrator. He had with him her 11-year old sister. He said
repeatedly to her 'your choice…'. The girl did not proceed with the complaint. She
disengaged from the pilot and project and is quoted by the researcher as saying 'you
can't protect me'. This incident raised questions about how the perpetrator knew
where the young woman was and what she was doing. (my emphasis)


Briefly, the researcher was suspended for gross misconduct and there was a cover up of the report, funding withdrawn before the completion of the study.

Apologies about the weird formatting on the c&p - I don't know how to change it, I need to go and eat.

 

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Yeah, Red Cat, that bit struck me too. Although Anudder Oik has been getting stick for this, I think he's right in suggesting that there is more than incompetence at issue.

 

[Anudder Oik]

You are determined that this should be seen as a major factor, why is that? Any idea? Try not to justify it with misquotes, "the thread says", or untruths about the report this tine.

It's my initial perception and experience. I have seen political comrades (SWP a long time ago) collectively go to town on a woman from an NGO because she complained about being groped at a Morrocan celebration. I was in awe witnessing the openely disgusted rejection of this woman, who they labelled immediately as a racist. It was knee jerk a la extrem, So, I am somewhat influenced by seeing this behaviour in action. I have more stories like this, a massive row with another comrade occurred because I warned him to watch his wallet when a pickpocket I actually recognised came over to us in a crowded bar. The comrade even struck up a conversation with the guy to show how unracist he was. It makes you want to puke.I believe this kind of lack of common sense attitude is rampant among the left (of labour).

However, I am open to ideas thru argument, that's why I come here. I don't have a fixed idea although I will, at times push a point.

Did it not say in the official report that there was fear....?

 

[Treacle Toes]

Yeah, Red Cat, that bit struck me too. Although Anudder Oik has been getting stick for this, I think he's right in suggesting that there is more than incompetence at issue.

He is not the only one suggesting there is more than incompetence at play in this.

What he is being challenged on is giving the fear of being branded a racist more value than others believe is truth in this case.

 

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I'm not sure what to make of this.

http://rotherhampolitics.wordpress....a-spider-at-the-centre-of-the-taxi-trade-web/

 

[Treacle Toes]

I'm not sure what to make of this.

http://rotherhampolitics.wordpress....a-spider-at-the-centre-of-the-taxi-trade-web/

Why don't you know what to make of it? Wil might be right?

Taxi firm/drivers involved in gooming and abuse of young girls takes advantage of council contract. Councillors possibly involved/knew.. it's cetainly believable. What's your point?

 

[littlebabyjesus]

I'm not sure what to make of this.

http://rotherhampolitics.wordpress....a-spider-at-the-centre-of-the-taxi-trade-web/

It sounds more plausible than fear of being called racist, tbh, as a major way in which this was covered up for so long - common or garden corruption.

 

[bluescreen]

He is not the only one suggesting there is more than incompetence at play in this.

What he is being challenged on is giving the fear of being branded a racist more value than others believe is truth in this case.

Fair enough. It is a useful (and racist) excuse. It is laughable when the polis produce it. As if they are reluctant to stop and search someone walking down the road while black. But there is no denying that the likes of most of us will run screaming from the allegation, which is useful for perps trying to manipulate the system.

 

[bluescreen]

I'm not sure what to make of this.

http://rotherhampolitics.wordpress....a-spider-at-the-centre-of-the-taxi-trade-web/

I find it quite believable, just wondered whether others on here knew more about it. There is a lot more hair-raising stuff on this site.