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Rotherham child rape gangs: At least 1400 victims

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Bernie Gunther said:
Is the rotherhampolitics blogger a UKIP supporter?

He seems quite pleased about UKIP taking this Akhtar bloke's council seat.
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Well, I did wonder. There are several people blogging on that site, and little love lost for some of the Labour councillors, who tbh haven't exactly given a stellar performance. I suppose if they are UKIP anything they say is open to question. Are the questions they ask real questions deserving answers or simply racist aggravation? That's why I said I didn't know what to make of it.
 
Possibly the violent organised gang could lean on "community leaders" your going to claim everythings fine if your under threat of having your house burnt down with your family in it :(

Social services job isnt to deal with violent gangsters so the care workers and social workers have an excuse police no excuse one of their jobs is to deal with violent gangsters :(
 
The man mentioned in that blog, Jahangir Akhtar, deputy leader of the council, was a taxi driver, and does have some previous.

This is the Guardian's report of his conviction for a brawl in the restaurant:

http://www.theguardian.com/uk/2002/jun/19/politics.labour

The local paper's initial report makes for rather sinister reading, suggesting that Akhtar is a nasty piece of work:

A man was acting drunkenly, swearing and threatening the chef in the restaurant just before closing time and so my son asked him to leave. The next thing my son knew was four men burst into the restaurant locking the doors behind them and started beating them up.”
Mr Rasab alleged one of the attackers, who he believes is a kick-boxing teacher, was wearing knuckle-dusters, a weapon which is illegal in this country and is classed as an offensive weapon.

“My son-in-law was so badly beaten he is still recovering in hospital today,” he added. “There were customers in the restaurant and they tried to help my family but the men started kicking them too.”
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http://www.yorkshirepost.co.uk/news...es/councillor-suspended-after-brawl-1-2413143

He escaped jail partly due to a glowing recommendation from the local police.
 
likesfish said:
Social services job isnt to deal with violent gangsters so the care workers and social workers have an excuse police no excuse one of their jobs is to deal with violent gangsters :(
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It would appear likely that the deputy leader of the council, Mr J Akhtar, was both a taxi driver and a violent gangster. He certainly has acted like a gangster at least once in his life. It would also appear that he had the local police in his pocket.

If there is any truth in the 'community leaders urging inaction' stuff from earlier, might he have been it? Fits the bill rather well.

Nasty cunt, well-connected local politician, and involved in the taxi business. Hmmm.
 
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Anudder Oik said:
Somewhere on this thread there was info about community leaders warning the police not to focus on these gangs for the sake of community cohesion. (may have the wording wrong but something to that effect). In less generous circles this could be construed as a threat.
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Somewhere on this thread (I too can't remember exactly where it came from) there was an allegation from un-named police that the reason they hadn't investigated was because un-named community leaders had said this. I'd be inclined to take it with a large pinch of salt...

There is also a seperate statement in the Report about how the Deputy Head of Rotherham Coucil was unwilling to label this a general problem within ther Pakistani community, for which he was criticised, but this is quite a different thing.

This is one of the problems of discussing this issue (lots of issues). We all read something, sub-conciously pick out or focus on the bits which confirm our suspicions, and then unknowingly distort them so that an allegation becomes hard evidence or whatever.

(this is not a criticism I'm aiming at you personally, or anyone else. I think we can all do it at times in different ways)
 
J Ed said:
I don't think so, I haven't been able to 100% gauge the politics of the site but they just seem anti-establishment if anything... they seemed sympathetic to Respect in the past.
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Yeah I can't tell either. They'll quote Respect, but you can't tell if they endorse what they quote. Then you find another post the seems pro UKIP.

Feels a bit shifty.

I've been Googling busily based on leads from there and it's interesting to say the least.
 
You can find plenty that's critical of UKIP on that site, and actually some positive coverage of Sarah Champion. Very hard to pin any particular views on them really.
 
Bernie Gunther said:
Yeah I can't tell either. They'll quote Respect, but you can't tell if they endorse what they quote. Then you find another post the seems pro UKIP.

Feels a bit shifty.

I've been Googling busily based on leads from there and it's interesting to say the least.
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I get the impression they are a broad church. There are certainly (disillusioned) Labour supporters on the comments threads, eg here
http://rotherhampolitics.wordpress.com/2012/09/26/no-cover-up-here/
 
I will be very interested to see how much media traction the much more plausible allegation of police and local political collusion get, it's a more complicated narrative to push than the liberal do-gooders enable Pakistanis/asylum seekers to rape kids angle...
 
littlebabyjesus said:
So have I. Mine appear to corroborate quite a bit of what the blog says. I can see why the blogger finds it not credible that Akhtar didn't know about the abuse.
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Well aside from those who were organizing the abuse, there were also their clients, and they also seem to be networked into wider criminal activity. Not sure how much can usefully be drawn from that. It occurs to me that another way to deflect attention from uncomfortable truths about institutional failings would be to find some suitable scapegoats.
 
J Ed said:
I will be very interested to see how much media traction the much more plausible allegation of police and local political collusion get, it's a more complicated narrative to push than the liberal do-gooders enable Pakistanis/asylum seekers to rape kids angle...
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Earlier in this thread - I can't find it now or on twitter - was a tweet from Frances Crook which nailed it, something to the effect that it was impossible to avoid the idea that there had been collusion.
Good for her for calling it.

E2A this is the first time I've heard reference to asylum seekers. I don't think anyone was seriously suggesting that. Have you read the report?
 
Well indeed but local politics, local business interests, the relation of both with the police, it all functions on the basis of collusion in the broadest sense. How do you distinguish 'good' collusion from 'bad' - they clearly can't.
 
Lurdan said:
Well aside from those who were organizing the abuse, there were also their clients, and they also seem to be networked into wider criminal activity. Not sure how much can usefully be drawn from that. It occurs to me that another way to deflect attention from uncomfortable truths about institutional failings would be to find some suitable scapegoats.
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Others have asked for explanations as to how this could go on for so long undetected, implying that it must have been general knowledge among certain 'communities'. The answer is partly that the abusers were violent men who threatened people into silence, but it also appears that they may well have had friends in powerful places - friends who could get the girls charged with offences rather than them, friends high up in the local political network. And this man's name keeps cropping up. Not sure he's someone I'd be choosing to pin stuff on, given that he's clearly connected.
 
littlebabyjesus said:
It would appear likely that the deputy leader of the council, Mr J Akhtar, was both a taxi driver and a violent gangster. He certainly has acted like a gangster at least once in his life. It would also appear that he had the local police in his pocket.

If there is any truth in the 'community leaders urging inaction' stuff from earlier, might he have been it? Fits the bill rather well.

Nasty cunt, well-connected local politician, and involved in the taxi business. Hmmm.
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Victims have said the same things as victims in other circumstances have before and continue to say - they took their case to the police, who told them basically to piss off, that it was their word against X and that they shouldn't bother taking it any further. They "lost" evidence that was submitted. There's no further explanation needed really.
 
Anudder Oik said:
Somewhere on this thread there was info about community leaders warning the police not to focus on these gangs for the sake of community cohesion. (may have the wording wrong but something to that effect). In less generous circles this could be construed as a threat.
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think youve a definite point there . These scum appear to have been organized and violent gangsters . The threat of violence at least would have been second nature to them..regardless of thekr actual ability to orchestrate it . And being wthout scruple theres little doubt they would have cynically portrayed ther response as a reaction to racist policing ..or at least threatened to..in order to protect their criminal empire . if due to corruption they had political voices behind them such a threat would carry more weight.
UVF pull this shit all the time when their financial interests are threatened and naturally enough get away with ruling entire communities through fear as a result .

With that type of MO in mind we need to bear in mind too if these scum were heavily engaged in both gun and drug crime then quite a few of them would inescapably be police touts. Theres also a real possibility the spooks would have been keeping a keen eye on the Pakistani community in that part of Yorkshire for obvious reasons too and local crims are the first people they recruit as eyes and ears. All that needs to be kept in mind when we have the case of a victim getting a phone call while literally in the police station warning her not to make a statement . That sounds like a definite tip off from someone within law enforcement or the state . Whether by accident or design these people were effectively shielded from prosecution . For whatever reason .
 
FridgeMagnet said:
Victims have said the same things as victims in other circumstances have before and continue to say - they took their case to the police, who told them basically to piss off, that it was their word against X and that they shouldn't bother taking it any further. They "lost" evidence that was submitted. There's no further explanation needed really.
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Oh I think there is a lot more explanation needed. Sometimes it's just police massaging their reported crime statistics (so that's all right then?) and sometimes it's someone making it worth their while for the complaint to go away. There is a difference between laziness and corruption.
 
…the leader of the Pakistani councillors absolutley should have done what any cute political operator like Mandelson would have immediately seen and turned a crisis into an opportunity….by apologising and totally disassociating the Pakistani community from these scum bags – In fact they should have been hitting every tv studio in the country to do it – I mean how EXACTLY do you suppose this is issue is sitting with the general public at the moment……...instead they ended up being door-stepped like some dodgy double glazing saleman on the Roger Cook show….too late now but what a stark contrast that would have made to all the other slimy creeps brazenly refusing to take any responsibility like Shaun Wright refusing to resign….hell it doesn’t even matter if he believed what he was saying….

….because the police are racist this therefore makes it impossible for them to ever act in way to avoid accusations of racism ….…...because for some reason racists NEVER want to appear non-racist....a moment’s thought shows there is not the slightest bit of logic to that “argument”

....and your bubbling cauldron of conspiracy theory…..you’re going to have to find a way to crow-bar in the CPS to it aswell….:

( ….quote already posted once before but the message doesn’t seem to be landing… )

One of his first decisions on becoming a Chief Crown Prosecutor was to initiate prosecutions in the case of the Rochdale sex trafficking gang, overturning an earlier decision by the CPS. He said "white professionals' oversensitivity to political correctness and fear of appearing racist may well have contributed to justice being stalled."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazir_Afzal

..also how may prosecutions have there been for FGM in Britain…..ever…?
..er…one….in May of this year….

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-26681364

…I wonder what could possibly explain that reluctance …oh wait…presumably that was all down to corrupt taxi-drivers aswell…
 
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