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Rotherham child rape gangs: At least 1400 victims

Global Stoner said:
Things have normally got to have gone quite mental for a kid to end up secure. Plus fortunately for young people in care they have to do something pretty serious for the police to push for a conviction, rather the issuing them with a caution. (In my very limited experience anyway)
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They've just got to run away a couple of times from other homes.
 
Diamond said:
Another factor that is worth exploring, although I am not directly casting aspersions, is the procedure and provenance of the investigation and report itself.

Delving a bit deeper into Jay, although I may be incorrect here, it appears that she is simply a visiting professor who has never held the full title.

A bit odd.

Further, the report itself is largely unsubtantiated in relation to the severity of its accusations.
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what do you think is the difference in qualification required to be a visiting professor and a full professor?
 
Ok, looking into the evidence base, it is clear that the report is not well done/effective.

Let me be clear, I do not doubt that this abuse may have occured, however the report when read closely is distinctly lacking in empirical support.

There is very little that would stand up in a court of law. Perhaps there are good reasons for this?
 
Diamond said:
Ok, looking into the evidence base, it is clear that the report is not well done/effective.

Let me be clear, I do not doubt that this abuse may have occured, however the report when read closely is distinctly lacking in empirical support.

There is very little that would stand up in a court of law. Perhaps there are good reasons for this?
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Yeah, it's all hearsay. It is such a relief to hear this. For a horrible moment I thought there was a scandal of child abuse.
 
Have you read Appendix 2 - the methodology?

Maybe I am used to being a bit more thorough but, given that it is a major inquiry, I am staggered that they took a sample of 19 cases versus a total of 51 cases. Those are not big numbers - get the data.
 
Maybe a stats specialist can explain the methodology better but as a layman it seems a bit sloppy.
 
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Das Uberdog said:
<snip> by contrast, in the Rochdale and Rotheram cases the perpetrators were people who were in no way particularly powerful on a social level yet were surrounded by a general culture which protected their activities. there is not a single other cultural group in the UK where these grooming gangs crop up with such regularity or scale.
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Obviously paedophilia/targeting vulnerable teenagers isn't unique to South Asian/Pakistani communities but the targeting of vulnerable girls from outside their communities who are regarded as white trash and used as pass-arounds by large groups of men who can count on each other to back each other up is a problem in the Pakistani community coz of a thing called baradari. This is the wiki definition...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baradari_(brotherhood)
Barādarī
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or Birādrī (Urdu: برادری‎) means Brotherhood originating from the Persian word برادر Baradar meaning "Brother". In Pakistan and India it is used to denote a number of social strata among South Asian Muslims. According to author Anatol Lieven, "the most important force in [Pakistani] society" are Baradari, usually far stronger than any competing religious, ethnic, or ideological cause. Parties and political alliances in Pakistan are based on Baradari, not ideology.[1]
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That's not a great explaination on the part of wiki, but baradari isn't easily translated. Essentially it means people from specific villages or areas in Pakistan remaining loyal to each other no matter what by virtue of nothing more than being from the same area. Soz if someone else has mentioned that, not read the full thread.

It has been going on for years though. I remember back in the mid 90's, this woman who used to put me up in Oldham, her fourteen year old daughter ran away with/was groomed (coz it was half consensual, they paid her attention which she wasn't averse to) by some older Asian lads, who then locked her in a flat and used her collectively. The coppers attitude at the time was dismissive to say the least - When they were in the womans house as she reported her daughter missing you could see the contempt dripping off them. They weren't even trying to hide it. One of them even said "They want young girls not old slags so she'll be home before you know it". Hopefully that's changed at least. I think I've told that before on the thread we had about Rochdale at the time anyway.
 
Diamond said:
Have you read Appendix 2 - the methodology?

Maybe I am used to being a bit more thorough but, given that it is a major inquiry, I am staggered that they took a sample of 19 cases versus a total of 51 cases. Those are not big numbers - get the data.
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Did you actually read Chapter 4 of the report?
 
Get a violent bunch of scum who use baradari and threats to keep the locals in check corrupt council and police who not that bothered as long as its only scum involved and crap social services = disaster hopefully the light shines on all these scumbags
 
What part did the baradari play in the police force actively under reporting and trying to disprove complaints then?

In a further blow to the force, the HMIC report highlighted significant under recording of crimes sent to its specialist units by other agencies. “This level of under-recorded crime is a significant cause of concern and is a matter of material and urgent importance, particularly as some of these relate to violence and sexual assault against vulnerable children,” said the report.
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It said that the force’s public protection unit – which deals with hate crime, domestic abuse and sex crimes – spent a “great deal of time trying to disprove the word of the victim from the outset, rather than record the crime”.
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Now why would they do that? :mad:

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...l-try-to-prove-victims-are-lying-9697859.html
 
….and reinforced by chain migration and cousin marriages instead of any cultural assimilation……..all happening under the umbrella of multi-culturalism ….there’s your “transmission belt” someone was talking about previously…..as Ann Cryer spoke out against and got the inevitable slagging and “racist” toilet seat hung round her neck for her trouble whilst “gurdian reading liberal-leftie” McShane was safely keeping shtum and fiddling his expenses…

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/pol...-marriage-in-case-they-lose-Muslim-votes.html
 
No it was part of the problem much easyier to sweep under the carpet if you can use buzzwords lik
Tight lipped community
Cultural issues, community cohesion etc etc etc.:mad:
 
Rutita1 said:
So those police officers...whole departments that ignored and/or tried to disprove complaints made...they are also part of the Baradari? :confused:
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The Police and other establishment institutions clearly have their own versions of "baradari", but apparently they're objectively more serious and nefarious when you can give them a sinister sounding foreign name...
 
For anyone digging any further here as a series of reports from the serious case review part of the Rotherham Safeguarding Children Board. Here are ones relating to Child S mentioned in the Jay report - she was Laura Wilson, murdered in rotherham in 2010 after being a victim of cse since the age of 10.
 
hot air baboon said:
...you mean why should they be very publically & determinedly disassociating themselves from the "scum" as much as they can...?

..er....PR...?

...getting your message out to the public directly ?

..."brown people" have just been on the receiving end of about £200m quids worth of free press and tv publicity...none of it very good...
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I really don't understand what this means.
 
Bernie Gunther said:
The Indy also have a story suggesting that Blair's government were involved in keeping the lid on child-grooming cases in Rotherham and other places where this stuff was going on.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...blairs-government-knew--and-when-9701861.html
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Former Foreign Office minister Denis MacShane said he was forced to agree to a "grovelling climb-down" over his remarks because he was warned it risked upsetting community relations.
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No doubt it was because he was so upset about it that he had to try and get over it with some retail therapy.

I know it's irrational but the spectacle of every last cunt lining up to use this for political advantage or wank into the Union Jack just makes me want to hit things.
 
It's appalling the way people are talking about Muslims or even just people of Pakistani heritage as if they were a monolith. Who are these community leaders anyway, what power do they exercise, who elected them, whom do they represent and how does their electorate get rid of them?
 
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