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Rotherham child rape gangs: At least 1400 victims

In terms of complexity, I think it's also inaccurate and a simplification to present this as no one or society not giving a shit. It's important to notice where good work was done, it's important to differentiate the good work done by youth workers, for example, from the neglect and collusion of senior managers in children's services, councillors, the police and governments, and to acknowledge the conflict between workers with little power and people in control of state organisations.
 
watched an interview the other day were Afshin Rattansi discussed this with a Muslim journalist and commentator . According to him local Pakistani community leaders warned of a grave risk to community cohesion if the plod focussed on these serial predators who were a well known phenomenon . So they didnt.:mad:


So race was used as an excuse for inaction and some so called community leaders were scum:mad:
Valuing the "honour" /good name of the community as more important than stopping child rapists:(

Well that plan worked well :facepalm:

Its a pity theres no viable political alternative worth a damm because rotherham needs a stable sweepout.
 
Two new developments, the Mayor of Liverpool has confirmed he is going to question the city's chief exec, Ged Fitzgerald, over his actions/inactions/knowledge during the period he was CEO of Rotherham Council and radio 4 had an interview with a former policewoman in Greater Manchester, Margaret Oliver, who appeared very angry that she was aware through her investigations that hundreds of men committed thousands of rapes and are still walking the streets. She was angered about the fact that the girls she interviewed, who gave names and car reg numbers, we're ignored and unsupported because of what she was convinced "was fear of being branded racist"
 
…I see the "....well-Jimmy-Savile-was-white..." issue keeps bobbing-up like one of those white polystyrene things in the swimming pool …it seems such an obvious category-error to try to equate a self-contained ethnic community – self-identified as such complete with its own community-leaders with some amorphous mass of 60 million people and try to make parallels…

….as stated the BBC *as an institution* was given a total slagging for turning a blind-eye & rightly so..….the Pope just got on and apologised over the sex-abuse scandal…its just what you should do….he didn’t start saying …what about all those really GREAT priests out there helping their parishioners without molesting them…..and anyway I bet those CofE bastards are a bunch of kiddy-fiddlers as well…

….bizarre attitude…as is the idea from posters on here that expecting the Pakistan community to clean up its act is some sort of dastardly plot to upset them instead of holding them to exactly the same standards as we would expect of anyone and everyone else….

as per this useful framework posted upthread its obvious there is an ethnic / racial dimension to each of these 3 aspects …its not the whole story by any degree but to try to airbrush it out of the picture completely for ideological reasons or because it supposedly grants some great political victory to the BNP…who in any case seem to be in a totally dire state….is just denial

I think there are 3 main elements to this case:
•The Boys/men why did they do it?
•The victims, why were they chosen?
•How did they get away with it who are to blame?
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….I presume we’ll all be watching this doco. on Monday….interesting timing to say the least

Pakistan's Hidden Shame documentary to air on Channel 4
28 Apr 2014 News Releases
http://www.channel4.com/info/press/news/pakistans-hidden-shame-documentary-to-air-on-channel-4
Pakistan is one of the world's most important Muslim nations, a nuclear power, which is allied to the West in the war against terror and a democracy. But Pakistan is also a country in denial, turning a blind eye to the sexual exploitation of many thousands of poor and vulnerable children.
"It’s one of the most sad and shameful aspects of our society. I have to say I’m totally embarrassed by this" Imran Khan
It's estimated that over 4million children across Pakistan are forced to work from an early age due to poverty, of these up to 1.5 million live on the streets with no home to go to. This film focusses on the north-western city of Peshawar, where it is estimated 9 out of every 10 street children have been sexually abused.
Brightly coloured buses depicting historical heroes are found all over Pakistan. These buses are a main element of the Pakistan economy. But behind the colour lies another much darker story, much of the sexual abuse of young boys’ takes place at bus and truck terminals. In one survey alone, 95% of truck drivers admitted having sex with boys was their favourite entertainment during rest breaks.
“I get bothered a lot. The bus driver, the van guy, sometimes they tell me to climb on the roof of the bus and do bad things with them.” Mohammed, 9-years-old
A 2010 UNICEF report suggests that traditional Pakistani cultural values of purity and the protection of women have contributed to men preying on boys. This theory is backed up by some psychologists, who suggest that the attraction to young boys stems from the segregation of the sexes, where women are perceived as the inferior gender, rarely seen in public and with very few rights. A recent World Economic Forum report named Pakistan the second worst country in the world when it comes to equal opportunities for women.
'A woman is a thing you keep at home' says Ejaz, a bus conductor 'you can't take women out because people stare at them - they're useless things; you have to show propriety and chasteness with them. You can take boys around anywhere with you and it isn't a big deal.'
We follow 13 year old Naeem, whose parents died when he was 8. His older brother began beating him and he ran away from home. He has now been addicted to heroin for five years and frequently sells his body to fund his habit. Pakistan has over 1million heroin users, and over 30% of those who inject the drug are HIV positive. Being so close to the Afghan border means that drugs are plentiful in Peshawar.
World sportsman, now turned politician, Imran Khan, said he was shocked by the evidence we presented to him, 'I must say, I know it happened. I didn't realise it happened to the extent you are saying.'
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likesfish said:
watched an interview the other day were Afshin Rattansi discussed this with a Muslim journalist and commentator . According to him local Pakistani community leaders warned of a grave risk to community cohesion if the plod focussed on these serial predators who were a well known phenomenon . So they didnt.:mad:


So race was used as an excuse for inaction and some so called community leaders were scum:mad:
Valuing the "honour" /good name of the community as more important than stopping child rapists:(

Well that plan worked well :facepalm:

Its a pity theres no viable political alternative worth a damm because rotherham needs a stable sweepout.
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Ah, that old chestnut. 'local community leaders'. What elected office did these 'local community leaders' hold, or were they of the self-appointing variety?
 
DotCommunist said:
and the usual parade of voices line up to tell 'the left' that 'the left' is unable to be on the right side of the argument here.
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So, instead of debating, let's just lump people into opposing categories. The them and us. That way it's easier to dismiss their uncomfortable arguments, isn't it. I find this kind of lazy dismissive post offensive.
 
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I bet Sarah Champion is loving all of this after the flak she got from the local LP for being parachuted in.
 
Casually Red said:
watched an interview the other day were Afshin Rattansi discussed this with a Muslim journalist and commentator . According to him local Pakistani community leaders warned of a grave risk to community cohesion if the plod focussed on these serial predators who were a well known phenomenon . So they didnt.

As far as im aware its a serious criminal offence to withhold information regarding child abuse . There should be a lot more in jail than just the predators. This was well known to be happenng locally and the scale of the victims bears that out . Nothing was done because many blind eyes were turned by all sorts of people for all sorts of self serving reasons.
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That's not referred to in the article I'm commenting on (which is not to say it isn't true).

I'm not saying bureaucratic multiculturalism didn't play a (small) part, I'm saying the author of the article hasn't made a proper argument that it did.
 
hot air baboon said:
…I see the "....well-Jimmy-Savile-was-white..." issue keeps bobbing-up like one of those white polystyrene things in the swimming pool …it seems such an obvious category-error to try to equate a self-contained ethnic community – self-identified as such complete with its own community-leaders with some amorphous mass of 60 million people and try to make parallels…
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So there is a totally self-contained "pakistani community" is there? Is this in Britain, in Yorkshire, or in Rotherham specifically? And all its members are collectively responsible for the actions of all the others are they?

Next you'll be telling us that all these people need to be registered and identified so that the rest of us (the amorphous mass...) can recognise exactly who they are, perhaps we could insist that they all have a big fuck-off crescent sown onto their clothes so the rest of us can avoid them like the untermensch they clearly are...
 
poptyping said:
Why do brown people have to be ashamed and sorry because of the actions of scum they don't even know just because they are they same skin colour? Srs question?
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They should be angry that apprantly some so called " community leaders" thought covering up the activitys of a pack of child rapists was a good thing to do:mad:
" hello mr isis veteran heres a list of apostates in rotherham we know they dont attend mosque and like a drink and hang out with women who arnt belivers"
Love bob mi5

And no fucks were given that day :mad:
 
likesfish said:
They should be angry that apprantly some so called " community leaders" thought covering up the activitys of a pack of child rapists was a good thing to do:mad:
" hello mr isis veteran heres a list of apostates in rotherham we know they dont attend mosque and like a drink and hang out with women who arnt belivers"
Love bob mi5

And no fucks were given that day :mad:
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I don't even know what that means.

IC3D said:
who said they did?
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Referring to hot air balloons quote from the docs. And others on here who are blaming Pakistani community.
 
littlebabyjesus said:
Ah, that old chestnut. 'local community leaders'. What elected office did these 'local community leaders' hold, or were they of the self-appointing variety?
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Someone keeps paying attention to them. Isn't that a feature of this apparent problem with multiculturism. i.e. You have a section of the population, a portion of the British Parkistarnie population in this case, who for cultural reasons, language, strong family and religious ties that may inhibit interactions in wider society, being represented by people with their own agendas and status to preserve.

Anyway I know this has been said a few times.I agree, the emphasis on authorities not investigating and metaphorically cracking heads, due to being perceived as racist. Well I find that hard to buy. It likely is a part. But Police officers believing 12 YO girls haven't been raped because they consented. That's not fear of racism. That's dangerously ignorant, unforgiveably uninterested or corrupt IMO.
 
xenon said:
Yeah, what a stinking ctoxic mix of self interest, classism, racism, and misogyny . 1400 alleged victims. Rotherham's not that big. This stuff must have been in their faces, in reports,rumors, insinuations heard and ignored every fucking day.
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Of courses it was. I know people who submitted those reports ten and more years ago. Sonia Sharp knew exactly what was going on, which is why she ran away to Australia. People knew exactly which taxi companies were involved. But it would have taken money to do something abut it, and there's fuck all of that in rotherham.
 
Combustible said:
There is something here about the role of identity politics in enabling the abuse. It looks like a bit of an exaggeration to say that this in itself led to the prolonged abuse because there was obviously a whole host of other factors and failings but it seems to have been important.
http://leftfootforward.org/2014/08/...tivism-at-the-heart-of-the-rotherham-scandal/
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Interesting, although what he refers to as "identity politics" is aimed specifically at the reduction of the British Pakistani population in Rotherham, and of ethnic minorities in general to the "lowest common denominator shared attributes of members of the community, i.e. "Pakistani" and "Muslim", which gives the "old guard" community spokesman types all the power, and the bulk of the community no ability to communicate their concerns.
 
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