Remainers: When are you taking to the streets?
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newbie
undisambiguated
yes, and then went off for 10 days without reliable battery which has been very frustrating, so it'll take a while to catch up. Apologies if I'm posting stuff that was dealt with days ago.
Big demonstrations to put pressure on MPs to block legislation are bound to occur. And equally big ones to pass it. Backbench MPs hold the power now, nothing is really a foregone conclusion, and I'm guessing they'll be facing a barrage of competing demands and reasoning prior to whatever votes this requires.
FridgeMagnet
Administrator
Surprise, I reckon. I went down to see what was going on, and I passed a lot of men in suits saying "there's thousands of them" on their mobiles. I don't think any of them were expecting a load of people outside Parliament shouting "FUCK BORIS JOHNSON". (It stayed in Trafalgar Square for a bit then moved down Whitehall to the HoP.)
The39thStep
Urban critical thinker
Note that far from taking to the streets that this would be action
thought you'd been on holidays. You'll be pleased to know that I haven't been deported from Portugal yet.
wheelie_bin
Well-Known Member
Why on earth not? Surely that's a universal enough view for any type of rally; anti-racism, pro-remain, pro-leave, pro-Labour, pro-Tory etc etc.
editor
hiraethified
I went and it was very busy indeed, despite the near-constant deluge. Photos later!
newbie
undisambiguated
I am indeed.
I think I said explicitly people will take to the streets. To make demands. Of MPs. Who hold the power to block legislation.
Anudder Oik
heinous pointless bellend/fucking gobshite muppet
We, the more priviliged and highly educated, demand that the referendum be declared null and void due to its undemocratic nature, namely, too many chavs, who have no adequate understanding of the issues, voted in it. The Low paid shouldn't have the vote.
Gramsci
Well-Known Member
Anudder Oik
heinous pointless bellend/fucking gobshite muppet
Yuck
Gramsci
Well-Known Member
Why?
editor
hiraethified
If you're just going to try and troll here you'll be facing a swift Threadexit.
Gramsci
Well-Known Member
Oh I see now. Im from Brixton. Here in Lambeth it was big majority to stay in. Which means in my area a lot of working class people voted in.
Chatting to my Afro Caribbean postman friend he said out vote had a lot to do with anti immigrant feeling. He has no time for it. Remembering his father got the same shit when he came here years ago.
The work I do means I mix with a lot of working class from Europe- this being London thats not unusual.
I have had chats with my Polish friends- who do working class jobs- and they are upset about the out vote. Feeling a lot of people here no longer welcome there presence. I can understand why they feel like this.
YouSir
Retired from Urban
All seems predicated on the EU = Europe thing. Good intentions, for most, to be sure but it's still ignoring issues with the organization in favour of vague feel good gestures. Same lack of awareness and interest in the concerns and problems of others that got us here.
newbie
undisambiguated
I edited in 3 extra words while you were typing.
Everyone(ish) has had the opportunity to vote. We know the result. What happens next is about who has power- MPs- and how they use it. The people in the photos above are pressuring them to use it to stop brexit. Others will pressure them to push it through pdq. Those competing pressures will come to a head for a vote in parliament to get this process underway. The result is not a foregone conclusion- or do you think it is, or should be?
YouSir
Retired from Urban
The referendum was sold to people as a decisive choice, to backtrack now and basically say 'unless the political class doesn't like it' makes a joke of the whole democratic process. Especially if it comes as a result, or is seen to come as the result, of one block protesting. People have the right to do whatever they feel necessary but if the results are ultimately ignored they have to face the backlash they'll see from disillusioned, dismissed and disdained Leave voters. Something I've yet to see any evidence of a lot of these people giving a toss about. And I've seen even less awareness of the issues people have with the EU as an institution, especially as it seems just to be supported as a 'nice' entity rather than a political and economic union.
wheelie_bin
Well-Known Member
I saw stuff about this demo that it was supposed to be inclusive, largely anti-racism to let all immigrants know they are still safe and welcome. The invitation explicitly invited people however they voted. It was fairly obvious that it would become retrospectively billed as anti-Brexit, but it's a shame that it didn't manage to keep its original purpose, because actually that was a far more important point to make than people complaining that they didn't like the result.
(The anti Farage etc posters I'll make an exception for, that's on message given the tone of some of the debate.)
(The anti Farage etc posters I'll make an exception for, that's on message given the tone of some of the debate.)
Gramsci
Well-Known Member
The constitutional issue is a bit of a mess. Read this today by Hilton. Mainstream economic writer but raises the issues.
He also points out that a lot of the vote was against the kind of globalised capitalism that has been the orthodoxy for past decades.
littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
'Farage is a rancid, festering cunt' is a beautiful thing, but I'm yuck at much of that too.
If it was supposed to be a 'support immigrants' rally, well, it was strictly only 'support EU immigrants' to many, clearly. Hijacking it like dicks.
Lord Camomile
Yipchaa!
I think it was actually the other way round. Started life as anti-Brexit protest, then changed to a solidarity "Remain and Leave against racism" sort of thing, and a lot of people who signed up for the original purpose got rather upset about the change.
Gramsci
Well-Known Member
I didnt see the publicity for it and only came across it by accident.
Speeches by those present were supporting migrants in general and a country that welcomes them. One British Asian who spoke linked the out vote to opposition to migrants in general. As her parents has to put up with when they first came here. The EU is hardly perfect but for me out is a step back for this country.
He/she is not trolling, afaic, he sees lots of middle class people worried about their entitlement, etc, the country, but wonders where they have been the last ten years, austerity, suicides from benefit sanctions, food banks, etc, its a valid position.
Gramsci
Well-Known Member
Really? My working class neighbours had In posters in there window. (Lambeth, London)
Down from where I come from (Devon - but I grew up in Plymouth) if you go outside Plymouth, which is full of backwoods middle class Tories, they all vote UKIP. My friend who went back there to look after her aged mother told me they were all UKIP around there. Its not that the middle class are worried about there entitlements. A lot of them outside London are real reactionaries. The kind of people who regard Cameron as a metropolitan liberal.
The country always was split. The referendum has brought this to the surface.
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newbie
undisambiguated
yes.
The thing about the political class, though, is that they're elected to take decisions on legislation (and to face the backlash). That's what they do and there's no precedent for another constitutional way it can be done. We remain in the EU until sufficient MPs pass legislation to start the leaving process. If they consistently block it I presume there will have to be a general election. A pro-Leave majority after that will see the legislation through, but a win for pro-Remain will kill it.
This isn't over yet and it's naive to think it is. Passions are likely to run pretty high in the runup to the big vote, whenever it will be. This is just the beginning of demonstrations and counter-demonstrations around the country.
Gramsci
Well-Known Member
I agree. And it could get pretty nasty. Passions on both sides are high.
redsquirrel
This Machine Kills Progressives
'Love the EU', really? As a socalist? You might have voted to Remain because you thought that was the best option, but don't fall into liberal bullshit that the EU is anything other than a neo-liberal bosses club.
I mean slag off Cameron, Farage, Johnson fine, excellent but this LibDemery crap about how great the EU is, fuck off.
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