RCP/Spiked/IoI
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DaveCinzano
WATCH OUT, GEORGE, HE'S GOT A SCREWDRIVER!
But much of her apparent impressiveness is just the same balloon debate wankery that the likes of Johnson have, only instead of going the public school-Oxbridge route, she honed her skillset berating junior cadres in the party orgs, fronts and conferences and then with The Moral Maze.
Whenever she is pinned down on detail beyond the narrow parameters of her chosen/paid-for ideological pathway, she fluffs it and loses her shit. Always has.
It's an indictment of current political debate that she is not taken down more often.
Absolutely - but that skillset is what politics is now. And by that measure, she's impressive.
sunnysidedown
caput mortuum
That recent good cop/bad cop Novara tag-team effort with her was pretty poor. so you haven’t read Deleuze?
DaveCinzano
WATCH OUT, GEORGE, HE'S GOT A SCREWDRIVER!
Dunno if you've noticed lads, but having vile politics is generally a net positive for people with political ambitions right now.
The spiked crew seem to have made the leap from slightly sinister but essentially laughable weirdo cult to being a hyper-organised political force on the brink of western hegemony in about three years. I don't think a weve really caught up on this thread yet.
The spiked crew seem to have made the leap from slightly sinister but essentially laughable weirdo cult to being a hyper-organised political force on the brink of western hegemony in about three years. I don't think a weve really caught up on this thread yet.
The39thStep
Urban critical thinker
Evan Smith
@Hatfulofhistory
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on Twitter has been doing quite a good trajectory on how the RCP went from No Platform to Free Speech for everyone
LDC
On est tous des pangolins
Criticizing her as a 'muddled heavy drinker' feels one small step away from calling her a hysterical woman tbh.
chilango
Hypothetical Wanker
I think Fox came across quite well, if she was facing a general audience, and just "performing".
For a more specialist audience, her weaknesses were glaring. It was notable that she couldn't, or more likely wouldn't, commit to anything concrete that placed her positions as "on the left". We can, and should, laugh at the "you've not read Deleuze?" moment, but for someone who markets themselves on "ideas" she was very shy about them.
For a more specialist audience, her weaknesses were glaring. It was notable that she couldn't, or more likely wouldn't, commit to anything concrete that placed her positions as "on the left". We can, and should, laugh at the "you've not read Deleuze?" moment, but for someone who markets themselves on "ideas" she was very shy about them.
sunnysidedown
caput mortuum
Agreed, I think she was helped by the fact bastani and the other one appeared to be sat each side of her so she had to keep turning her head each way when answering questions, giving the impression at times of being attacked from both sides at once.
I thought she was all over the place at the start but gradually got stronger as it went on (apart from the point about no-go areas near the end). I think this was mainly down to Novara, unsurprisingly, being incapable of dealing with much outside of their own narrow theoretical positions and resorting to name dropping (well how much Virilio have you read bastani? blah blah). You are correct though, she didn't offer much, but that may of also been down to the quality of questions/questioning.
chilango
Hypothetical Wanker
No.
...and that's the point.
Or at least one part of it.
She doesn't need to substantiate her "leftism" on those terms in this campaign.
Equally, it is of no advantage for the rest of her career interests to do so either.
I'm not quite sure why she appeared tbh.
greenfield
Former lurker
Why wouldn't she appear? She loves the attention as much as the rest of them
LDC
On est tous des pangolins
Build the brand, build the votes?
Imagine anyone in her sphere has a hint of narcissism about them too. Perfect match for Novara.
greenfield
Former lurker
I think she just thinks of herself as incredibly clever
LDC
On est tous des pangolins
IIRC in the interview she made it quite clear she thought things didn't divide neatly into left and right anymore. So I think she dodged the question a bit, and could have given a quite clear answer really, and when pressed she did give some answers about who runs public services (State/private) and mentioned anti-racism and anti-imperialism a bit.
I haven't followed her at all just this interview, although I was aware of her and her background, so someone might have a much clearer answer.
eoin_k
Lawyer's fees, beetroot and music
Not really, but she's happy to claim that this has more to do with the shifting position of the left, rather than her own worldview fundamentally changing and she still justifies taking an anti-imperialist line on Ireland, say, rather than offering a mea culpa for her previous positions. She's also willing to be represented as of the left to give the impression that the Brexit Party's a broad coalition fielding candidates from across the political spectrum. These days she's more likely to invoke enlightenment values instead of any sort of class politics, but she still speaks of the working class often enough. Generally only in support of libertarian arguments against the interference of the nanny state though. Unfortunately, this rings true sometimes given the role of the state, nevermind the ability of policymakers to interfere in peoples' lives unnecessarily.
The opportunism of ex-RCP members seems to be bourne out of their collective pessimism as former true believers. It's as if someone let slip a loss of faith to their fellow cadre at a house party in north London at some point in the 1990s and it became the new party line, but they still kept on organising as if nothing had changed. There could be some great political satire in tracing the backstories of the different activists involved in the Brexit Party, so long as our future political overlords are sincere in their commitment to free speech.
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Mr Moose
What the hell are we supposed to tell the kids?
And trying to answer that oh so tricky question for ‘radicals’ how can I pay the bills in such a way that I can enjoy my opinions in great comfort?’
FridgeMagnet
Administrator
"I didn't leave the left, the left left me"
She is not thick by any means but she is useless once taken outside her talking points. She is good at trying to keep things inside of those boundaries but if they go outside them it's game over. Possibly one of the reasons why she's on the Moral Maze all the time - it's very easy to just stop once things have got uncomfortable in that format.
Fair cop. On reflection, unwise.
LDC
On est tous des pangolins
'Muddled heavy drinker' could go on some of my best friend's gravestones.
TheHoodedClaw
acknowledging ur soup leg
I honestly hate this thread every time it pops up. I know what the IoI in the thread title stands for, but it's always a jarring moment whenever I see it and have to mentally go "not lol, even although that kinda fits too". Every damn time
8ball
Decolonise colons!
But not “hysterical woman”, I take it.
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