nino_savatte
No pasaran!
untethered said:
Sorry bubba, but Luther already corrected me. Why did you feel the need to chip in?
Tell you what, I'll put you on ignore, that way I won't have to waste my time responding to your idiotic remarks.
RCP & CPGB - where do ex-communists go?
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Sorry bubba, but Luther already corrected me. Why did you feel the need to chip in?
Tell you what, I'll put you on ignore, that way I won't have to waste my time responding to your idiotic remarks.
Luther Blissett
Nomadologist
He says he didn't read the thread properly, nino_savatte...
So where were we...ah yes...watching Living Marxism licking Nick Cohen's eye, scream...
So where were we...ah yes...watching Living Marxism licking Nick Cohen's eye, scream...
nino_savatte
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Luther Blissett said:
I was addressing untethered btw.
Luther Blissett
Nomadologist
Luther Blissett
Nomadologist
nino_savatte said:
I know.
nino_savatte
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Luther Blissett said:
kyser_soze
Hawking's Angry Eyebrow
Maybe all this think tank malarky is some obscure method of infiltrating the establishment and destroying from within? I mean if you're saying John Reid is among their number, he's sure doing a fine job of wrecking the legal and judicial systems in this country...
Or it could be to pay the mortgage. Who knows...
Or it could be to pay the mortgage. Who knows...
Luther Blissett
Nomadologist
I'm confused too.nino_savatte said:
http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Sense_about_Sciencesourcewatch on LM/RCP's "Sense About Science" said:
http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Global_Futures
http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Institute_of_Ideas
http://www.rothamsted.ac.uk/broom/PressReleases.php
kyser_soze, how could this be indicative destroying the establishment from within?
Dependence on pesticides and growing pesticide-resistent GM crops would destroy our ecology from within. It's not ecologically sound to be manufacturing pesticide, or eating crops that have been doused with chemicals...so surely you meant to say "destroying the ecosystem and endangering human health to increase corporate agribusinesses profits?
Pesticide build-up in supermarket food - Report of the U.K. Pesticide Safety Directorate - 2001 (article+stats)
kyser_soze
Hawking's Angry Eyebrow
Luther Blisset prooving that people who are serious about the left have no sense of sarcasm, irony or indeed, humour...
Luther Blissett
Nomadologist
quello era umore? mia nonna che loffa è infinitamente più divertentekyser_soze said:
Luther Blissett
Nomadologist
du hast rechts.Belushi said:Being a Revolutionary is a serious businesskyser_soze said:Luther Blisset prooving that people who are serious about the left have no sense of sarcasm, irony or indeed, humour...
kyser_soze
Hawking's Angry Eyebrow
Luther Blissett said:quello era umore? mia nonna che loffa è infinitamente più divertente
Ah, is this some example of subtle humour inspired by Garibaldi that you would write it in Italian?
Pompous ass.
Luther Blissett
Nomadologist
kyser_soze said:
Unfughersteller
nino_savatte
No pasaran!
Belushi said:Being a Revolutionary is a serious business
Damned straight!
kyser_soze
Hawking's Angry Eyebrow
Luther Blissett said:Unfughersteller
What happened to ex RCPers? I'm ex and have now got a life A lot of people I know simply drifted back into normal life after the late 90s. A smaller number have nice cushy careers in (mainly their own) think tanks, columns in papers, cushy jobs in universities - I could go on but you get the message...middle class careerists!
A lot of people I know simply drifted back into normal life after the late 90s. A smaller number have nice cushy careers in (mainly their own) think tanks, columns in papers, cushy jobs in universities - I could go on but you get the message...middle class careerists!
nino_savatte
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portman said:What happened to ex RCPers? I'm ex and have now got a life
So you're telling us that you haven't swapped one cult for another?
nino_savatte said:
Exactly! I only needed the experience once to know never to get involved in anything like that again. Not only is their a high personal cost, which I don't want to go into, politically, any form of vanguardist organisation is never going to reach out to the mainstream...
The paradox is, that now a number of ex RCPers have cushy jobs in the media, they have more influence than back in the 80s and 90s...
JHE
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portman said:
Sorry, I don't see the paradox. In the days of the little RCP, the RCPers were communists, albeit in their own slightly odd Trot way. Now the IoI people and the Spiked people and Frank 'no longer Richards' Furedi are not communists. They get a bit of a hearing in sections the media because they have some topical points to make and are keen to be controversial. That's all.
nino_savatte
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portman said:
Sure, it wasn't as though you could become a member though. Iirc, it was only Furedi's inner circle who were members, everyone else was a supporter.
I'm aware of the numbers of them in the media and it would seem that this was their true aim all along:to infiltrate their way into influential positions in the press, radio and television. This way they hoped to form/shape opinion and disseminate their ideas to a wider audience. I'm not sure how effective their campaign has been, though they always seem to attach themselves to cultural bodies as well as those of the media.
nino_savatte
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treelover said:
Well, Kermode is now a [born again] Xtian, so he's swapped one cult for another.
kyser_soze
Hawking's Angry Eyebrow
HA! Mark Kermode - fighting the system with the aid of acerbic film criticism 
treelover said:
...but after all that sitting around theorising and pontificating (followed by a few years break!), it's actually a nice change to be getting stuck into something that has a connection with real life and people
Not only that, something that represents my direct interests as well...Just wish I'd got out of the RCP sooner (even though I was just a humble supporter)... However, we all learn from our mistakes and I certainly learned a hell of a lot from the political mistakes I made in the past!!
Fisher_Gate
Active Member
portman said:...but after all that sitting around theorising and pontificating (followed by a few years break!), it's actually a nice change to be getting stuck into something that has a connection with real life and people
Just wish I'd got out of the RCP sooner (even though I was just a humble supporter)... However, we all learn from our mistakes and I certainly learned a hell of a lot from the political mistakes I made in the past!!
I bet you learnt how to flypost in the RCP though ... they could have given masterclasses in it ... they should have used it as a recruiting tool like the Army - "Join up and learn a useful skill"!
Nigel Irritable
Five, Ten, Fifteen Years
treelover said:
Not that strange when you consider that the IWCA is the child of Red Action. Red Action and the RCP at one stage had an electoral alliance called the Red Front. And despite Red Action's emphasis on fistfights with fascists and the RCPs emphasis on recruiting upwardly mobile students, they had a similar arrogance and for that matter similar politics on quite a few issues. The most notable one being Ireland of course, where both took an uncritically pro IRA stance.
liampreston
Spend time, not money
The short answer being "They grow out of it" =)
Louis MacNeice
Autumn Journalist
Nigel Irritable said:
Very strange when you conside that the RCP dismissed the working class as agents of revolutionary change and hence disolved themselves, while RA and AFA pushed ahead with the IWCA as a project that sought to place the working class back centre stage as the neccessary agents of 'total social change'. A member of RA once told me that the Red Front experience had been one where they'd learnt alot but didn't feel the need to repeat...or words to that effect.
Cheers - Louis MacNeice
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