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meh
Gordon Browns club. he's not happy about it either
Raith Rovers and the rapist
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Excellent post, steeplejack, if depressing.
belboid
Exasperated, not angry.
It should be pointed out that lots of blades also threatened burning their season tickets and were vehemently opposed to signing him (most notably Jess Ennis). And don’t forget Goodwillie hasn’t played in front of anyone yet.
steeplejack
trapped lbw for a duck
Attendance just over 1,000 tonight, against the normal 1,400 or so.
SpineyNorman
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This is true, though I'm pretty certain Evans was already a united player when he raped that woman, or do you mean when they re-signed him?
There were a depressing number of fans of all stripes (including blue and white) were prepared to defend him and I'm not seeing that here but maybe I'm just not looking hard enough.
Hopefully I'm right, progress has been made and there won't be any similar chants but I guess we'll have to wait and see.
tonysingh
Random Clever and Witty Strapline
The only chants or songs there should be around this are ones ripping into Goodwillie tbf.
Roy of the Rapers
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
yeh let the people who chose to sign him off the hook
Sasaferrato
Super Refuser!
Goodwillie was not convicted of rape, he wasn't even tried for rape. Police Scotland investigated the matter, and there was not enough evidence to proceed with a charge and trial.
Subsequently he was sued by the complainant, and a Sherriff, on the basis of probability awarded damages.
So, he is in the situation of being criminally not a rapist, but civilly regarded as probably being a rapist.
A strange situation, but, he appealed against the civil award and lost, so there is no doubt whatsoever of his guilt.
This happened ten years ago, and he has not been subject to any accusation of criminality in the intervening time.
Punishment without rehabilitation is regarded by many as a huge failing of the justice system. So, he was not prosecuted, damages were awarded in a civil case, is it not time he was allowed to move on and take a place in society?
Well, no, because despite the initial civil finding, and the loss of his appeal, he still maintains his innocence. To me at least, the first step towards rehabilitation is admission and remorse, he has not admitted guilt, nor expressed remorse.
Subsequently he was sued by the complainant, and a Sherriff, on the basis of probability awarded damages.
So, he is in the situation of being criminally not a rapist, but civilly regarded as probably being a rapist.
A strange situation, but, he appealed against the civil award and lost, so there is no doubt whatsoever of his guilt.
This happened ten years ago, and he has not been subject to any accusation of criminality in the intervening time.
Punishment without rehabilitation is regarded by many as a huge failing of the justice system. So, he was not prosecuted, damages were awarded in a civil case, is it not time he was allowed to move on and take a place in society?
Well, no, because despite the initial civil finding, and the loss of his appeal, he still maintains his innocence. To me at least, the first step towards rehabilitation is admission and remorse, he has not admitted guilt, nor expressed remorse.
Sasaferrato
Super Refuser!
Indeed. Where do they go from here?
Bahnhof Strasse
Met up with Hannah Courtoy a week next Tuesday
This is about the special position professional sport (and in particular in the UK professional football) holds. If he was looking to get a job as a welder or builder or whatever then I would agree with you.
With professional football the situation is very very different and that can't be ignored. Or it shouldn't be.
Sasaferrato
Super Refuser!
I thought my final sentence had made my view clear.
He is not on the road to rehabilitation, and really, WTF were Raith thinking about when they signed him?
Maybe in the US or China where you have huge populations, this could slip past public notice, but in Scotland?
Bahnhof Strasse
Met up with Hannah Courtoy a week next Tuesday
The state of the fucking language around rape...
You don't rape someone by mistake.
David Goodwillie: Signing could be 'devastating' for women's football
The chief executive of Scottish Women's Football has criticised Raith Rovers' "poor" decision to sign David Goodwillie.
www.bbc.co.uk
You don't rape someone by mistake.
equationgirl
Respect my existence or expect my resistance
This is not the thread for technicalities or apologists for rapists.
Why does he get to move on with his life, when the woman he raped may not get to?
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andysays
Love and solidarity
And even if we ignore the terrible choice of word, there's clear evidence that he doesn't recognise or acknowledge his "mistake".The state of the fucking language around rape...
David Goodwillie: Signing could be 'devastating' for women's football
The chief executive of Scottish Women's Football has criticised Raith Rovers' "poor" decision to sign David Goodwillie.www.bbc.co.uk
You don't rape someone by mistake.
Can only echo the question already asked by many - WTF were Raith Rovers thinking?
equationgirl
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Oh, and the BBC are calling him a rapist on the front page of the news website..I'm pretty sure they wouldn't do that if, you know, he wasn't ruled to be a rapist in a civil trial.
StoneRoad
heckling from the back!
No way should that team have signed him.
But they did.
So they should be boycotted until he's gone.
Plus, the manager & board that made the proposal & decision to sign him are also all gone.
He's not getting the oxygen of publicity by me typing his name.
But as Sass says, he's not attempting to be rehabilitated - he's not expressed remorse at the all important first step ...
Why do some males find it so difficult to say "I'm sorry" or "I was wrong" ?
But they did.
So they should be boycotted until he's gone.
Plus, the manager & board that made the proposal & decision to sign him are also all gone.
He's not getting the oxygen of publicity by me typing his name.
But as Sass says, he's not attempting to be rehabilitated - he's not expressed remorse at the all important first step ...
Why do some males find it so difficult to say "I'm sorry" or "I was wrong" ?
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
no suspect about it
tonysingh
Random Clever and Witty Strapline
belboid
Exasperated, not angry.
United we’re in a slightly difficult position in that, because he was there player before the conviction, he was still registered with them upon its overturning, so they were obliged by pfa rules to let him train. There’s no doubt they’d have liked to sign him permanently though and it was only fan action that stopped it. He got shit for a few seasons afterwards, but it seems like that’s pretty much stopped now.
Athos
Well-Known Member
He should not be getting the oxygen of oxygen.
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steeplejack
trapped lbw for a duck
equationgirl
Respect my existence or expect my resistance
Val McDermid is awesome.
interesting to see where you think compassion and nuance is appropriate.
equationgirl
Respect my existence or expect my resistance
And Police Scotland saying there wasn't enough evidence to proceed doesn't mean he didn't do it, just that there was no chance of a conviction.
Sasaferrato do you know the stats for rape convictions, and the inherent systemic reasons and biases for said conviction rates?
Sasaferrato do you know the stats for rape convictions, and the inherent systemic reasons and biases for said conviction rates?
steeplejack
trapped lbw for a duck
"criminally regarded as probably being a rapist" LOL
If the Sun newspaper which for years has been naming him as a rapist without inverted commas around the word, is content to describe him as such, repeatedly, I think it's pretty legally watertight to believe he's a rapist, and no one sensible has any hesitation in doing so.
I hope also you've read the civil court judgement against him, in full. (TRIGGER WARNING: do not read if likely to cause upset owing to contextual description of sexual assault / rape).
tl;dr- final paragraph from Lord Armstrong, para. 344:
If the Sun newspaper which for years has been naming him as a rapist without inverted commas around the word, is content to describe him as such, repeatedly, I think it's pretty legally watertight to believe he's a rapist, and no one sensible has any hesitation in doing so.
I hope also you've read the civil court judgement against him, in full. (TRIGGER WARNING: do not read if likely to cause upset owing to contextual description of sexual assault / rape).
tl;dr- final paragraph from Lord Armstrong, para. 344:
steeplejack
trapped lbw for a duck
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