Reynhard Sinaga - Britain’s most prolific rapist with 136 victims is jailed for 30 years

[UnderOpenSky]

Boo hoo. There's tons of other shit for people to get high on that aren't the go-to choice for rapists who want to incapacitate their victims.

Like booze and benzos.

 

[killer b]

yeah, alcohol is the go-to choice for rapists who want to incapacitate their victims isn't it?

 

[UnderOpenSky]

yeah, alcohol is the go-to choice for rapists who want to incapacitate their victims isn't it?

Yes feed them doubles etc. Rohypnol I belive is also used which is just another benzo.

 

[wiskey]

It seems more victims have been contacting the police.

Reynhard Sinaga: More potential victims of rapist contact police

A dedicated incident room for reporting sexual abuse has seen "a very positive response", police say.

www.bbc.co.uk

Not very surprising now he's been named.

 

[nogojones]

Boo hoo. There's tons of other shit for people to get high on that aren't the go-to choice for rapists who want to incapacitate their victims.

So how is reclassifying it going to stop rapists getting hold of it?

 

[Spymaster]

So how is reclassifying it going to stop rapists getting hold of it?

I'm with Two Sheds. Treat it like firearms. It won't stop proper cunts getting hold of it but it makes it a bit more difficult and there's virtually no legal reason for having it. Reading about it, it's medical uses seem practically worthless.

 

[wiskey]

I'm really not convinced that the reason he raped 200 people is because there was a drug available and it was only class C, rather I suspect he wanted to rape men, did some research and found out how - making GHB/GBL class A isn't going to a) stop him buying it or b) stop him wanting to rape people.

 

[nogojones]

I'm with Two Sheds. Treat it like firearms. It won't stop proper cunts getting hold of it but it makes it a bit more difficult and there's virtually no legal reason for having it. Reading about it, it's medical uses seem practically worthless.

So this fella from the sounds of it was using GHB - In the Guardian one of his victims described his drink as salty - an indication that his drink was adulterated with GHB, rather than GBL - which tastes like drinking an industrial solvent. To get the GHB he would have had to buy this from a drug dealer. How is reclassifying it going to change his access to it?

As for GBL, whilst it is available on-line, its not a straight forward purchace. It's frankly much easier and quicker to pick up class A drugs locally with a phone call.

So if reclassifying GHB/GBL doesn't effect availability, what would it do?

As far as I can see it would only firmly entrench supply into the hands of organised crime and have lower quality control - so doseage would be much harder to judge - people used to weak shit would dose high (or spike their victims high), so that when some good gear comes along there would be overdoses and deaths. This is a given. Sorry it doesn't have the nice clean solution of pretending to be tough on drugs and rapists, but reclassifying it would make the UK a more dangerous place for users and date rape victims lives.

 

[nogojones]

I'm with Two Sheds. Treat it like firearms. It won't stop proper cunts getting hold of it but it makes it a bit more difficult and there's virtually no legal reason for having it. Reading about it, it's medical uses seem practically worthless.

Did the reclassification of cannabis from C to B have any effect on availability?

 

[Spymaster]

So this fella from the sounds of it was using GHB - In the Guardian one of his victims described his drink as salty - an indication that his drink was adulterated with GHB, rather than GBL - which tastes like drinking an industrial solvent. To get the GHB he would have had to buy this from a drug dealer. How is reclassifying it going to change his access to it?

As for GBL, whilst it is available on-line, its not a straight forward purchace. It's frankly much easier and quicker to pick up class A drugs locally with a phone call.

So if reclassifying GHB/GBL doesn't effect availability, what would it do?

As far as I can see it would only firmly entrench supply into the hands of organised crime and have lower quality control - so doseage would be much harder to judge - people used to weak shit would dose high (or spike their victims high), so that when some good gear comes along there would be overdoses and deaths. This is a given. Sorry it doesn't have the nice clean solution of pretending to be tough on drugs and rapists, but reclassifying it would make the UK a more dangerous place for users and date rape victims lives.

Fair play. I thought it was one of these drugs that people buy on the internet. In fact I'm sure I remember buying it from sex shops back in the day. Anyway, thanks for clarifying.

 

[nogojones]

Fair play. I thought it was one of these drugs that people buy on the internet. Thanks for clarifying.

You can buy all drugs on the internet, but I'm guessing that as he was out on the scene he had a local supplier.

 

[two sheds]

So this fella from the sounds of it was using GHB - In the Guardian one of his victims described his drink as salty - an indication that his drink was adulterated with GHB, rather than GBL - which tastes like drinking an industrial solvent. To get the GHB he would have had to buy this from a drug dealer. How is reclassifying it going to change his access to it?

As for GBL, whilst it is available on-line, its not a straight forward purchace. It's frankly much easier and quicker to pick up class A drugs locally with a phone call.

So if reclassifying GHB/GBL doesn't effect availability, what would it do?

As far as I can see it would only firmly entrench supply into the hands of organised crime and have lower quality control - so doseage would be much harder to judge - people used to weak shit would dose high (or spike their victims high), so that when some good gear comes along there would be overdoses and deaths. This is a given. Sorry it doesn't have the nice clean solution of pretending to be tough on drugs and rapists, but reclassifying it would make the UK a more dangerous place for users and date rape victims lives.

Fair point. I'd actually like to see all drugs decriminalized and regulated.

 

[Reno]

GHB/GBL is a very popular drug on the gay scene, I have lots of friends who do it. I don’t like it because you can’t combine it with alcohol and I like my beer when I go out. It’s also easy to overdose if you are inexperienced or twatted.

 

[pseudonarcissus]

GHB/GBL is a very popular drug on the gay scene, I have lots of friends who do it. I don’t like it because you can’t combine it with alcohol and I like my beer when I go out and it’s easy to overdose if you are inexperienced or twatted.

indeed, with some alarming consequences

 

[cyril_smear]

It seems more victims have been contacting the police.

Reynhard Sinaga: More potential victims of rapist contact police

A dedicated incident room for reporting sexual abuse has seen "a very positive response", police say.

www.bbc.co.uk

That'll be the whole life tariff...

 

[Cerv]

what a truly horrifying start to the year. if this was the plot of a cop show I’d have called it sensationalist.

I'm really not convinced that the reason he raped 200 people is because there was a drug available and it was only class C, rather I suspect he wanted to rape men, did some research and found out how - making GBL class A isn't going to a) stop him buying it or b) stop him wanting to rape people.

and if he couldn’t get a hold of it, he’d use something else. alcohol is apparently the most commonly used to spike drinks, by hospital admissions info.
in fact since he’s still admitted nothing and the police didn’t find the evidence searching his flat we don’t know for certain what he used each time. G is a likely supposition based on some of the victims recollections.

there are some mitigations that could be tried to make GBL less useful as a weapon of rape. for example mandating it is sold with a dye like methylated spirits are so it’d be harder to spike a drink / pass off as water. if it were being sold in legal, controlled framework

 

[cyril_smear]

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. for example mandating it is sold with a dye like methylated spirits are so it’d be harder to spike a drink / pass off as water. if it were being sold in legal, controlled framework

Bitrex, can't mask the taste of that.

 

[two sheds]

Wouldn't that just create a criminal supplied market of non-Bitrex GBH, as above?

 

[planetgeli]

GHB is really salty, so much so that most victims must recognise something is wrong, unless they are already quite pissed, which of course brings alcohol in as it does with roughly half all sexual assault cases.

 

[cyril_smear]

Wouldn't that just create a criminal supplied market of non-Bitrex GBH, as above?

and perhaps more risky ways of recreational users administering themselves with G.

 

[wiskey]

Bitrex, can't mask the taste of that.

And yet I see children pass through a&e weekly who have ingested products with bitrex in

 

[cyril_smear]

Wouldn't that just create a criminal supplied market of non-Bitrex GBH, as above?

there's always be a market for any drug as long as there's a demand, as we all know.

 

[two sheds]

Which brings us back to decriminilization and regulation. We need to push criminals out of the supply chain.

 

[cyril_smear]

Which brings us back to decriminilization and regulation. We need to push criminals out of the supply chain.

you're preaching to the choir.

 

[Cerv]

Bitrex, can't mask the taste of that.

still want it to be drinkable though for legitimate consensual sex
so something strong but not like that? GBL already does pretty nasty on its own but somehow people still get away with using it

Wouldn't that just create a criminal supplied market of non-Bitrex GBH, as above?

but at least that’d be a lot smaller market, and therefore the stuff be less easily available. nothing is ever 100% effective but doesn’t mean it might not be a worthwhile idea.

dye came to mind as a suggestion rather than taste because
a) some people do that them selves at parties to avoid accidental mix ups
b) G is rapidly absorbed enough that taking a swig, noticing the taste & immediately spitting it out, you can still get fucked up. or die.

 

[cyril_smear]

We can argue the toss all day but after a serial killer, serial rapist and serial thief(who ended up killing one victim) in the last five years all using G as a weapon it's going to be reclassified.

 

[two sheds]

you're preaching to the choir.

And then you could treat the criminal supply as you do with guns.

QED

 

[cyril_smear]

And then you could treat the criminal supply as you do with guns.

QED

but it's never going to be decrimanilised and regulated is, so we are just going round in circles.

 

[Bahnhof Strasse]

Fair play. I thought it was one of these drugs that people buy on the internet. In fact I'm sure I remember buying it from sex shops back in the day. Anyway, thanks for clarifying.

That was amyl nitrate (poppers). Brings on rushes on E’s, sold in sex shops cos it also loosens your arse.

 

[two sheds]

but it's never going to be decrimanilised and regulated is, so we are just going round in circles.

Mind you, you'd think Cummins must be snorting lots of stuff, so ....