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Privileged people calling less privileged people "stupid" doesn't seem to be working...

General Veers said:
No, not at all. The Tories getting in on 20-odd percent isn't a resounding majority of the electorate. I've marched against the elected government many times but it was more for the issues and policies they were pursuing although I do miss on occasion the jovial outpouring of rage that went with "Maggie Maggie Maggie, Out Out Out".

This vote to leave the EU was different. There were no seats, no votes wasted, no multitude of candidates or options. It was a simple leave or stay where every vote counted. A simple majority from one side beat a minority from another (albeit a big one). Those that didn't vote and are now whining, well it's tough titty, everyone had a chance to participate and for the first time in years I felt my vote actually counted.

It's the manouvering, the throwing the toys out of the pram and finally putting down their traditional constituency by a big chunk of the left that I find distasteful.
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Ok, I get that. The outcome was agreeable to you but what if it had gone the other way - would you not have any dissent in you?
 
Pickman's model said:
You could see this during the campaign,when the guardian said in as many words that people voting leave were thick racist chavs
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And a lot of lefties lapped it up. The pragmatic ones will alter their strategy, the pompous ones will lose influence and damage the cause they claim to be fighting for.
 
Pickman's model said:
£35k in debt, yer man's not going to rock the boat is he?
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Recall reading something about the history of social housing that said similar, it was well noted that the highest level of secure social tenancies in the 70s coincided with more industrial militancy even if it wasn't the only factor, but people running to pay a mortgage or jacked up private rents think twice before risking their job.
 
General Veers said:
No, (I know plenty who did vote remain), just the ones who call me stupid, label me racist and assume they know best because I voted for something different to them after weighing up the arguments in a rational manner.
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Well, I know what it's like to be called stupid & I freely admit, I did over react on the day of the results. At the same time, I don't believe everyone who rejected the outcome were patronising twats whining. Some had rational concerns, just like the leave side.
 
seventh bullet said:
What was it you said about my relationship with my partner? Also, what was it you said to me even though I didn't even vote. Things you have never acknowledged nor apologised for.
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seventh bullet said:
You know, you're just feeling a bit a prat about it.
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I believe I was talking to another poster & freely admitted I over reacted. Obviously, this chimed with you and you needed an indirect affirmation that wishing other posters dead is perhaps not the right way to get your point across.
 
General Veers said:
The leave the European Union vote (I hate the term Brexit) has brought out some xenophobes but it has also flushed out a lot of so-called lefties as well. Their narrative that all leave voters are racist and as thick as pig shit for siding with racists shows their own personal prejudices, not the perceived ones of over 17 million people. Have a read of Jon Rogers' Unison blog (easily searchable). His contempt for the working class is palatable, almost as much as his slavish adherence to the neo-liberal EU and all the shitting on workers that it does.

We don't need Eddie Izzard and all those other patronising twats whining to make leave voters reconsider their decision, in fact it reinforces it. This vote for me has thrown up a whole layer of people on the left that have shown their true colours. The people who they claim to stand up for have rejected what they think is right so they come up with all kinds of theories and throw around lots of insults to justify their own arrogance. Some of the biggest leave margins came from former mining areas in the North, people who are no strangers to class struggle and standing up to the full force of the state.

To see academic lefties whose main occupational hazzard is a paper cut go to town on working class people in current and former manual occupations is sickening and does not bode well for the future of socialist politics.
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Those who began campaigning against New labour's welfare reforms were shocked and baffled by the lack of support from the left, unions, etc, these attacks on brexiters goes some way to understanding why this happened/
 
treelover said:
Those who began campaigning against New labour's welfare reforms were shocked and baffled by the lack of support from the left, unions, etc, these attacks on brexiters goes some way to understanding why this happened/
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You dislike socialists as we've seen on numerous occasions

Perhaps if you'd worked with those who were already campaigning on the auld tories' welfare reforms in the 1990s you might have found more sympathy and allies

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General Veers said:
Some of the biggest leave margins came from former mining areas in the North, people who are no strangers to class struggle and standing up to the full force of the state.
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This attitude cracks me right up. Its turkeys voting for Christmas. Their protest against the state is handing the state more power.

Power to cast off worker protections granted by European law. Power they will use to their greatest extent whilst blaming the economic turmoil created by Brexit as their excuse to completely abandon those protections and replace them with nothing.

They'll use the 'we're all in it together' line when telling the working classes that they'll have to button down and work harder for the sake of the making Britain great again. But guess who'll see or the benefit? None of which will 'trickle down'.
 
Gromit said:
This attitude cracks me right up. Its turkeys voting for Christmas. Their protest against the state is handing the state more power.

Power to cast off worker protections granted by European law. Power they will use to their greatest extent whilst blaming the economic turmoil created by Brexit as their excuse to completely abandon those protections and replace them with nothing.

They'll use the 'we're all in it together' line when telling the working classes that they'll have to button down and work harder for the sake of the making Britain great again. But guess who'll see or the benefit? None of which will 'trickle down'.
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There you go, the same could be said for the remain lot, I voted to be shafted by one government instead of 28 with the possibility of doing something about it afterwards.

It's not leave/remain that I'm pissed off about, I've had loads of friendly debates in the boozer etc. with remain voters, leave ones and non-voters. It's the sneering undercurrent of a lot of folk who are labelling the working class thick and not worthy of making decisions that affect our lives. We need to be lead according to them because we're incapable of deciding what's good for us. That's what I find disturbing.
 
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