Prince Andrew, Duke of York, named in underage 'sex slave' lawsuit

[Ming]

There's a list of causes here:

Anhidrosis (Lack of Sweat): Symptoms, Causes & Treatment

Anhidrosis is a condition in which you don’t sweat normally in one or more body areas. Not being able to cool down properly can be dangerous and even life-threatening.

my.clevelandclinic.org

And unless I'm reading it incorrectly, none appear to say "an overdose of adrenaline."

So it is possible. I’m trying to be as fair as possible (so we can totally nail the cunt). I’ll see if i can get the medic to give their opinion on video (not specifically related to any individual obviously). Just related to the condition and its possible causes.

 

[Sue]

So it is possible. I’m trying to be as fair as possible (so we can totally nail the cunt). I’ll see if i can get the medic to give their opinion on video (not specifically related to any individual obviously). Just related to the condition and its possible causes.

Why? We're not nailing anyone for anything and getting a doctor you know to say this on video? Why?

 

[Orang Utan]

Innit. Does it matter? He’s already been proved a liar about it cos of all those clammy pics.

 

[Ming]

Why? We're not nailing anyone for anything and getting a doctor you know to say this on video? Why?

OK. Maybe not. They probably wouldn't anyway. I suppose my motivation was to get a qualified professional on tape saying a big part of his whole defence was complete bollocks.
ETA : I am going to ask anyway. Will report back with the inevitable answer.

 

[dessiato]

I wonder how much his lawyers charged the royal nonce to write that crap!

Ours charges £345+vat per hour or part thereof just for work relating to a joint POA/POW so what the nonce's lawyers are charging...

 

[tim]

OK. Maybe not. They probably wouldn't anyway. I suppose my motivation was to get a qualified professional on tape saying a big part of his whole defence was complete bollocks.
ETA : I am going to ask anyway. Will report back with the inevitable answer.

Somewhere on the John Sweeney podcasts he does exactly this with a professor of endocrinology. The answer is the claim doesn't hold water anymore than Andrew's pores.

 

[Ming]

Somewhere on the John Sweeney podcasts he does exactly this with a professor of endocrinology. The answer is the claim doesn't hold water anymore than Andrew's pores.

It was always patronizing bollocks.

 

[not-bono-ever]

Tramps has always been a den of twats

 

[Pickman's model]

Ours charges £345+vat per hour or part thereof just for work relating to a joint POA/POW so what the nonce's lawyers are charging...

They've found a Charlie and will be screwing Andrew for every penny they can

 

[dessiato]

They've found a Charlie and will be screwing Andrew for every penny they can

The problem is that we, the people, are, ultimately, paying for nonce.

 

[Pickman's model]

The problem is that we, the people, are, ultimately, paying for nonce.

So much the better, the lawyers reckon, as they can milk the resources of the entire country

 

[bluescreen]

And bit of a remarkable defence that asking for a puppet is "harassing and seeks confidential and private information and documents"

"help, help I'm being repressed"

It's a Fluck & Law situation.

 

[scalyboy]

On the subject of weird legalese language, this (from the Virginia Roberts/Giuffre & Epstein settlement agreement) took me by surprise:

2. General Release (pages 2-3):
"Hereby remise, release, acquit, satisfy, and forever discharge the said Second Parties and any other person or entity who could have been included as a potential defendant ('Other Potential Defendants') from all, and all manner of, action and actions of Virginia Roberts [...] for compensatory or punitive damages that First Parties [...] ever had or now have [...] against Jeffrey Epstein [...] from the beginning of the world to the day of this release."

"from the beginning of the world"?!
WTF.

It's like a mashup of Derrida (gone berserk on cheap red wine and Adderall) and the Old Testament.

 

[seeformiles]

On the subject of weird legalese language, this (from the Virginia Roberts/Giuffre & Epstein settlement agreement) took me by surprise:

2. General Release (pages 2-3):
"Hereby remise, release, acquit, satisfy, and forever discharge the said Second Parties and any other person or entity who could have been included as a potential defendant ('Other Potential Defendants') from all, and all manner of, action and actions of Virginia Roberts [...] for compensatory or punitive damages that First Parties [...] ever had or now have [...] against Jeffrey Epstein [...] from the beginning of the world to the day of this release."

"from the beginning of the world"?!
WTF.
.

Perhaps they could also add “From beyond the grave” just to cover all eventualities?

 

[Kaka Tim]

have any legal people given an opinion on whether this agreement is likely to help the duke of nonce?

 

[Pickman's model]

have any legal people given an opinion on whether this agreement is likely to help the duke of nonce?

The only opinion that matters is the judge's and we'll doubtless have that soon enough

 

[1927]

have any legal people given an opinion on whether this agreement is likely to help the duke of nonce?

Well seeing as the judge has know the details for months and hasn’t kicked it out of court yet I think it’s unlikely to get him anywhere!

 

[bluescreen]

have any legal people given an opinion on whether this agreement is likely to help the duke of nonce?

There was a US lawyer on R4 this morning suggesting that the release may be too widely drawn to be enforceable but that it's up to the judge. Of course.

 

[Pickman's model]

Well seeing as the judge has know the details for months and hasn’t kicked it out of court yet I think it’s unlikely to get him anywhere!

Andrew's lawyers weren't previously applying to have the case dismissed on these grounds and until such an application made the judge can't rule on it

 

[bluescreen]

There was a US lawyer on R4 this morning suggesting that the release may be too widely drawn to be enforceable but that it's up to the judge. Of course.

Here at 1hr 50

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[Diamond]

have any legal people given an opinion on whether this agreement is likely to help the duke of nonce?

My relatively non-expert view is that the settlement is intended to protect him and will do so.

Some interesting commentary here:

 

[1927]

Andrew's lawyers weren't previously applying to have the case dismissed on these grounds and until such an application made the judge can't rule on it

Surely they’ve been citing the arrangement with Epstein for months tho. Hasn’t there already been a hearing to decide if it was relevant back in November?

 

[Bahnhof Strasse]

If this doesn't work for His Royal Nonceness then things are pretty bad for Dershowitz too, in that it, A: might not cover him as well, B: it is likely that the Harvard Professor of law wrote the fucking agreement in the first place.

 

[Pickman's model]

If this doesn't work for His Royal Nonceness then things are pretty bad for Dershowitz too, in that it, A: might not cover him as well, B: it is likely that the Harvard Professor of law wrote the fucking agreement in the first place.

Anyone who has read finklestein's chutzpah knows dershowitz is a shot with irons in many fires

 

[Pickman's model]

Surely they’ve been citing the arrangement with Epstein for months tho. Hasn’t there already been a hearing to decide if it was relevant back in November?

Then if it works for Andrew the case should have been thrown out then

 

[danny la rouge]

Anyone who has read finklestein's chutzpah knows dershowitz is a shot with irons in many fires

Dershowitz is indeed on the side of the demons on many accounts.

 

[kabbes]

My relatively non-expert view is that the settlement is intended to protect him and will do so.

Some interesting commentary here:

That commentary seems to lead to the opposite conclusion to you. In particular:



This is saying that the malfeasance for which jointly liable codefendants are now released is procurement of a minor for sex. The nonce is being sued for something different, ie sex with a minor.

 

[bluescreen]

We wouldn't know, would we, whether Windsor's lawyers have been desperately trying to settle meanwhile and all this bigging up of the release was pressure to reach settlement. Yet it's probs not worth the paper it's written on except for Epstein himself and Giuffre's own payoff, which may already be exhausted by now in legal fees.
I can't see Giuffre yielding until costs become unbearable, and she may be reaching that point... Or are they on a no win no fee basis? They probably are.

Popcorn time

 

[MickiQ]

We any idea what time the hearing is set for? It's only 7am in NY at the moment so I suspect His Honor is still having his brekkie.

 

[Athos]

If this doesn't work for His Royal Nonceness then things are pretty bad for Dershowitz too, in that it, A: might not cover him as well, B: it is likely that the Harvard Professor of law wrote the fucking agreement in the first place.

She's not pursuing Dershowitz on similar grounds; her case against him is for libel.