I guess that is the immediate future. Once all that's been sorted they'll start everyone else. I guess they are hoping that by that time the Oxford one will be approved and that will be a much simpler and cheaper role out to the masses.
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I guess that is the immediate future. Once all that's been sorted they'll start everyone else. I guess they are hoping that by that time the Oxford one will be approved and that will be a much simpler and cheaper role out to the masses.
purenarcotic
Conveniently Pocket Sized
Thats what I was wondering, especially as they’ve ordered enough Oxford for 50 million people.
cupid_stunt
Merry fecking Christmas.
With around 20 million getting the Pfizer vaccine, and 100 million doses of the Oxford one ordered, enough for 50 m people, plus others also on order, I think there'll be plenty to go around.
platinumsage
HaveMyPassword123
Apparently there are 30 million people on that list, so the Pfizer and Moderna vaccines won't cover them all.
I'm 42 with no relevant existing conditions. I'm not really bothered about the vaccine for myself its the lives it will save and the level of normality it will hopefully bring.
ETA: I might start getting narked if vaccination becomes a pre-condition for certain activities like travel and the roll out in the UK takes an age. Anyway getting ahead of myself.
ETA: I might start getting narked if vaccination becomes a pre-condition for certain activities like travel and the roll out in the UK takes an age. Anyway getting ahead of myself.
purenarcotic
Conveniently Pocket Sized
That’s what I had in my head. I had wondered whether key workers (but not in health) would get some sort of priority but it doesn’t look like it.
LDC
On est tous des pangolins
Yeah, I guess it potentially gets very complex and potentially causes massive social rifts when that starts being defined for things like vaccination. There's already some disquiet that younger people with serious underlying health issues aren't higher up the list.
purenarcotic
Conveniently Pocket Sized
I am, I am 31 but I am a key worker. We cannot carry on with no face to face support for much longer, it’s incredibly difficult. And it’s not actually practical, we end up offering face to face because what are you gonna done e.g. I was with a colleague dropping food off to a family in a temporary flat trying to sort her heating out because she was freezing and because of her limited English she couldn’t read the instructions. Were we really gonna just leave the bags outside and say no to going in? It didn’t feel safe though, the kids were climbing over us...
Once you get past frontline NHS and emergency services workers it actually becomes quite difficult to definitively say who is a key worker. My sister is a primary school teacher and had to work through lockdown 1 for the kids of key workers. She said it was amazing how many people suddenly decided they were key workers and were very insistent about it.
skyscraper101
0891 50 50 50
I'm guessing once the airlines start insisting on a covid vaccine certificate to board their aircraft, and nation states do similar, it'll be a lot more difficult for the under 50s to travel about until they get their turn.
LDC
On est tous des pangolins
I really hope the public education campaign around this vaccine is done well and in a variety of languages and methods of communication, and not just online ones.
The school near me had to have people at the front gate this morning with posters in various languages explaining collection time changes for the kids today due to the lack of English as a working language for so many of the parents. I also went to a local PO and shop yesterday and literally nobody out of about 15 people there were wearing masks, and I'd speculate that's hugely due to language and not understanding what's going on, even this far into the pandemic.
elbows
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Well I wouldn't use the word soon but yeah, they are keen to learn more about that. And some hospitals have been taking part in studies of hospital transmission, including the use of genomic analysis of covid infections in the hope they can trace the pathways of infection in healthcare scenarios. dd the vaccine to that picture and something should be learnt, its just I dont want to put a timescale on it.
This is the question but as there is limited information available on whether being vaccinated means you can't still spread the virus so countries should still be cautious. It would be pretty dumb to say that you can't come in without a vaccination certificate without knowing it means that person is not infectious.
That being said there is a lot of desperation out there at the moment to get tourism going. Just look at the trouble the EU is is at the moment with their ski resorts. I think a recent negative test is still going to be required for a good while yet.
LDC
On est tous des pangolins
JCVI just published new guideline son vaccine priority.
www.gov.uk
Joint Committee on Vaccination and Immunisation
The Joint Committee on Vaccination and Immunisation (JCVI) is an expert scientific advisory committee which advises the UK government on vaccination and immunisation matters.
littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
Ha. A mate of mine has had a similar experience. She was pretty phlegmatic about working through lockdown despite being somewhat at risk due to her weight. But she was pissed off by the hypocritical attitudes she encountered among people who were not themselves prepared to do the kinds of things she was doing (social distancing not really an option often, particularly as she teaches 'problem' kids).
The pandemic has brought out some very good and some very bad in people.
elbows
Well-Known Member
JCVI just published new guideline son vaccine priority.
Joint Committee on Vaccination and Immunisation
The Joint Committee on Vaccination and Immunisation (JCVI) is an expert scientific advisory committee which advises the UK government on vaccination and immunisation matters.
It didnt leap out at me from that page so here is a direct link to the document which I am skimming right now.
elbows
Well-Known Member
So below is what their first phase recommendations, with the aim of targeting groups that represent 99% of preventable covid-19 mortality, looks like.
They go on to suggest that a subsequent phase should target those at greatest risk of hospitalisation, but also that vaccination of those at increased risk of exposure to the virus due to their occupation could also be a priority in that phase.
They go on to suggest that a subsequent phase should target those at greatest risk of hospitalisation, but also that vaccination of those at increased risk of exposure to the virus due to their occupation could also be a priority in that phase.
skyscraper101
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I suppose there's nothing legally to stop private individuals (or most likely companies/organisations) from sourcing vaccines directly from Pfizer etc.
So in theory it would be possible to queue jump.
So in theory it would be possible to queue jump.
elbows
Well-Known Member
I'm under the impression that the supply contracts dont allow the companies to siphon off supplies for private sale. But I wasn't the source of that knowledge and I havent found the posts where this came up previously.
skyscraper101
0891 50 50 50
I don't mean siphon off from the government procured stock, I mean buy directly in competition with national governments.
Surely at point of purchase it's still an open market?
Yeah, I was musing on this earlier in the thread. In theory the UK has one of the most regulated drug markets in the world so they likely could regulate it if they so wished. In reality though I don't know that they would. There will be huge pressure from their wealthy mates to be allowed to go private. In fact the really wealthy will just go to Swiss clinics etc anyway.
I have a friend who lives in Singapore and they've been told they will have the Moderna vaccine this month. Obviously it will all be private.
Monkeygrinder's Organ
Dodgy geezer swilling vapid lager
Nightclubs will be full of OAPs having it large while the rest of us are stuck at home.
So wonder if group 6 are essentially those who get the flu vaccine and aren't in groups 1-5?
elbows
Well-Known Member
So wonder if group 6 are essentially those who get the flu vaccine and aren't in groups 1-5?
In the full document there a list of clinical risk groups identified, but since the document is quite long I will quote it here:
• Chronic respiratory disease, including chronic obstructive pulmonary disease (COPD), cystic fibrosis and severe asthma
• Chronic heart disease (and vascular disease)
• Chronic kidney disease
• Chronic liver disease
• Chronic neurological disease including epilepsy
• Down’s syndrome
• Severe and profound learning disability
• Diabetes
• Solid organ, bone marrow and stem cell transplant recipients • People with specific cancers
• Immunosuppression due to disease or treatment
• Asplenia and splenic dysfunction
• Morbid obesity
• Severe mental illness
Note that this applies to group 6, rather than the clinically extremely vulnerable (shielding patients) from higher priority group 4.
LDC
On est tous des pangolins
Yeah, when some people were going on about shielding the old and vulnerable and letting the young do whatever as an alternative to lockdown I always thought the other way round would be better, the younger have plenty of time left for fun once this is over, let the older ones have the freedom as a priority. (Caveat: probably not medically and infection risk actually a good idea...)
Sunray
Its sunny somewhere.
I think they are going try to be very aggressive with regard to vaccinations, with the idea everyone who wants one will get one by end April if they have the vaccines to give to people. It does offer an end to this pandemic so the quicker the better for everyone.
I do hope you get a digital certificate which can be seen by venues when you have had the vaccine. Vaccines are only truly effective if the take up is high.
Unfortunately that's not the impression I get. Last time I saw Johnson talking about vaccines a couple of weeks back he was saying hopefully by Easter for the most vulnerable groups but he wasn't sticking his hat on it. Also given his propensity for baseless overly optimistic claims even that could be a stretch.
I wouldn't get your hopes up yet.
